gay marriage

[Raven]

No they weren't married. And you cannot use the "god didn't intend this" argument, it has no place in a rational debate. This is the problem with people who attempt to ban gay marriage, they make the assumption that their faith is correct in everything, whin in fact no evidence supports it.
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[Valos]

I have read and re-read your post and find it to lacking inything that would say it belongs in this debate. What exactly was your reasoning for making this post? Did I miss something?
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[SkieFireYokana]

Well... Let's just say for the sake of argument that the Bible and everything in it is true somehow. The only place in the Bible where it says that homosexuality is wrong is in Leviticus, and didn't Jesus throw that whole law out? Besides that, the Bible says God is Love. Now, I don't see any reason why God would want anyone NOT to be able to love. Gays included.

Now then... I'm not Christian, but I was for a while and I was forced to go to a Christian school for quite some time... I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I AM claiming to at least know something on the subject. Most people who are anti-gay are Christian. Most people who aren't, aren't Christian. So, those who are anti-gay can lie about what the Bible says, because the ones who are pro-gay don't know what the Bible really says. But, because I've actually read the thing, I know that everything they're using is just lies. *is seething angrily* Hence, why I generally don't like Christians. Now, there are some who are really very accepting, but in general, their pompous religion has closed their minds. My two cents. If anyone guessed, many of my friends are gay and I can get very, very passionate about this.
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[Ragnarok]

I agree with you on some of your points, but you make one major error. Christians (usually only those who are more conservative and/or literalist) are not the only ones who are anti-gay. That attitude exists among members of all three of the "Big Three" religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam), in almost the exact same form. Also, in debates on religious forums, I've had many verses cited to me, each condemning homosexuality in some form.

However, saying that all of Christianity is bad because of those who are virulently anti-gay seems incredibly judgemental, not to mention completely illogical.
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[SkieFireYokana]

Did I say that? I didn't say that. I said MOST was bad. I know some really cool Christians. They still think I'm going to Hell, but they're cool about it. They don't push the Bible in my face and make me get converted to what is, for me, a load of BS.

As for the three major religions... Yeah, I don't have ALL the answers... I've never been Jewish, or Muslim, so I don't know much about them. But, what I do know, is that the same verses ban gay marriage for both Christianity and Judaism. They're just called different things. To Christians, it's the "Old Testament". To Jews, it's... I can't remember the name of their book. But it's the same thing. And Muslims... I have never been Muslim, nor have I ever had a friend that was Muslim, nor have I studied Muslims very deeply, so I don't know why they hate gays and therefore cannot formulate an argument against them.

And, I just thought of something, just as I was about to hit the Submit button. If you have religious freedom in the US, then they shouldn't make laws that are obviously biased toward any religion, no matter who is in that religion or how big it is. Religion has only one place in the Constitution, and that's under the First Amendment. Saying you can't marry another man is sorta like saying you can't be part of a religion that hardly anyone has ever heard of and is on the whole very small. There are, however, people in it and it should not be banned. There are gay people in our country, and they should be allowed to marry. Just because there aren't as many as there are straight people, that doesn't mean they aren't there.
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[TigressoftheWind]

The way I see you, you have your own freedom of religion and freedom from religion, and bottom line, religion should play no part in marriage if the couple should choose not to have it. Ignore what anyone else has to say about it, because it's their right and their freedom.

I am, once again, writing an essay on this topic, and I have found some facts.

Civil Unions do not have the same government priveleges and protections as marriage does. Only two states (Vermont and California) allow Civil Unions, but it's a very limited Union (limited rights, limited more than usual) and one state, only one (Massachusetts) allows Gay Marriage, but only to the citizens of said state.

I believe that gays just want to have the same legal rights, government protections, and status, and all the stuff that comes with marriage, that heterosexual marriage provides. I say that the only difference between a woman and a man getting married and a man and a man/ woman and a woman getting married is that their partner is of the same sex. What's so different? Yes, they can't reproduce, but in all honesty, we don't need more children. In fact, homosexuals are helping our country by adopting children, and who should judge whether or not they can have kids? If the child is alright with having two moms or two dads, then leave it at that. If they don't, then something needs to change. But what's so wrong with adopting unwanted children? What's so wrong with marrying the same sex? We know the basics: religion. But there has to be something more, because the whole religion factor is getting really old and it is hardly a worthy defense against gay marriage anymore (in my opinion) because the way I see it, you have the freedom to have a religion or not to have one, so, unless someone can come up with a valable reason why gays/lesbians can't marry, I see absolutely zero reason why they shouldn't be able to. They are as every bit as human as the rest of us, every bit a citizen of the U.S.

And I'm going to end this rant before it goes any further.
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[scarletnightdragon]

i say, who gives a f*** who you love, let any one marry
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