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Ganelon
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006 18:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to get all insulting man I was just kidding of course you can have a rational conversation with me but on rational stuff. I do know that dragons aren't real but when I reply on a topic like to think they did. At the beginning your involving science with it amazed me cause you explained it very good but than you just started talking that dragons don't exist and getting too serious about stuff that is fictional. Who cares about reality man. This is a site devoted to dragons act like they are real and that magic is real too for crying out loud. And of course mix it with science because it makes an interesting approach. But be reasonable about it too. Don't exaggerate with it. And I'll try not to exclude science too much.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006 18:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ganelon wrote:
At the beginning your involving science with it amazed me cause you explained it very good but than you just started talking that dragons don't exist and getting too serious about stuff that is fictional.


Actually, as far as this thread goes, I've been working under the assumption that they did exist. However, it is because of that assumption that I flatly reject works of fiction.

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This is a site devoted to dragons act like they are real and that magic is real too for crying out loud.


The assumption that dragons existed is one that can be made for these subjects, but I fail to see how that can also apply to magic. Based on everything we know about the universe, if a dragon did exist, it would be bound by the same laws of physics that bind everything else. Allowing magic to be brought into the conversation gives a "wild card" to whomever wants to use it.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006 19:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you're right I said that because of the wingless dragon topic that was brought up.They are supposed to fly with the help of magic. And in some literature dragons are tightly bonded to magical things or places and that is why I think magic is in order for the topic. And heck if you can't explain something make it simple....you know. And dude you can't reject works of fiction for something that is actually fiction.
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Dec 2006 22:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Ragnarok said, when one imposes a real-life question, one should expect a real-life answer, even if the subjects are not.

For example, this thread is on how dragons mate, correct? So if you're saying I could totally base my answer on fantasy, my 'completely plausible' suggestion is that they "pop out of thin air in little cocoons". This example is slightly exaggerated and sarcastic, but it's pretty much what you're trying to say, Ganelon. Science and natural laws bind all objects in the universe, and cannot be rejected. I think when this thread was created, it was meant to be realistic.

Anyway, I do not see how dragons could breed in flight. Courtship rituals might have been done with acrobatic displays, for many different types of birds do this. My best guess is that the subjects be totally pjysically grounded.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Dec 2006 10:04    Post subject: Re: How Dragons Rep... Reply with quote

When talking about dragons I’d consider the acceptation of magic quite realistic, as there are very few works of mythology where dragons do not have magical powers. This isn’t to say I’d ignore science completely, but magic would surely allow the rules to be loosened. (For example, how are giant lizards supposed to able to fly at all – with or without wings – if not for magic.)

This topic is actually something I’ve never considered let alone looked into. So I can’t provide any knowledge about mating rituals…

Mating in the air does seem somewhat unrealistic, and it would indeed have to be quick if it were free-fall! But there’s no reason it wouldn’t be quick (there’s no evidence to go on after all). Personally my favourite idea so far is that it would be completely magical.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Dec 2006 10:32    Post subject: Re: How Dragons Rep... Reply with quote

SilverDragon wrote:
When talking about dragons I’d consider the acceptation of magic quite realistic, as there are very few works of mythology where dragons do not have magical powers. This isn’t to say I’d ignore science completely, but magic would surely allow the rules to be loosened.


Actually, outside of Asia, or other places where the dragons are almost gods, I'm unaware of any magical powers given to them. Some could regenerate, in some cases there was an implication of imortality or invincibility (also tied into regeneration, in some cases), one caused floods...but that's it.

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For example, how are giant lizards supposed to able to fly at all – with or without wings – if not for magic.)


http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue275/labnotes.html
It can be done without magic.

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Mating in the air does seem somewhat unrealistic, and it would indeed have to be quick if it were free-fall! But there’s no reason it wouldn’t be quick (there’s no evidence to go on after all). Personally my favourite idea so far is that it would be completely magical.


My question is: quick or not, from an evolutionary standpoint, how would such a risky procedure evolve, especially when a much safer alternative (the ground) is readily available?
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Dec 2006 11:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

its easy to see how it would evolve its trust what better way to show afection for one another then to do it in a truly life threatening situation ie if they don't want each other then they fall wrong and get smashed against the ground also look at several other things on the ground is very vounrable of course not many preadators would ever go for a dragon but the air is definetely safer and a third thing pleasure to make it last longer the flight then the fall.
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PostPosted: Thu 14 Dec 2006 14:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...would evolve its trust what better way to show afection for one another then to do it in a truly life threatening situation...


There are definatly better ways of proving trust. How about having a stable den/home to raise the resulting offspring in? Gifts of food? An ability to defend you and your mate from harm? I think these would be better ways of demonstrating trust than "Hey, let's jump off a bridge toghether and hope we don't die! (metaphorically speaking)." This is also asuming dragons raise offspring toghether, or stay toghther past the mating. If the pair splits right afterwards, what reason would they have for such a death defying act?

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not many preadators would ever go for a dragon but the air is definetely safer


In most of the cases we're talking about, there simply aren't any predators, except humans of course, to bother them. Therefore, the safty aspect isn't really an issue. Then again, mating mid-air, NOT dropping out of the sky, could be an acceptable way of looking at it.

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third thing pleasure to make it last longer the flight then the fall.


Again, why would the fall even be necessary, when you could just have an extended flight and skip out on the peril. I can't think of many thrill-seeking animals besides humans.
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