Intelligent design vs evolution.

[Ragnarok]

In a nutshell, that there are LOTS of transitional forms.


On the "mammal-like reptiles" and "reptile-like mammals": "I just came back from a meeting, where there were 11 or 12 new fossils... and almost fistfights broke out among the scientists arguing about whether the fossils should be called mammal-like reptiles or reptile-like mammals." <laughter> If paleontologists are willing to argue about that, it tells you two things. One is: paleontologists are willing to argue about anything." <laughter> "And the second thing is that there are innumerable intermediate and transitional forms that we see in the fossil record."
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[ZucaTreangeli]

In principal, any form untill a species goes extinct is a transitional up to the form before extinction and the primary form (which would be the first reproducing cell).

Because every form is an intermediate to the next, we may look and act like this, but the future is going to look different a million years from now :P, and there are going to be differences in the animals an insects and othher organismes.

In the future, we will be transitional forms to the next form/change :P
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[Hyraxylos]

This thread sure is a lot less violent than the one on Draconity.org was! What happened in that one was, I think, the reason that it’s such a dangerous region of turf to tread upon in most places. That is, that both sides spend more time assaulting the other than in trying to find things that will benefit their own side.

Here’s how it went… the creationists were trying to use science to debunk the scientific argument. But that failed horribly because they simply don’t know enough about science itself or its workings to defeat scientists within their own arena. Bungling of scientific terms (especially the word “theory”), citations of false evidence that was presented the wrong way, passages from the Bible… None of this was making the religious side look too on-the-ball. Besides they had repeatedly forgotten a very important point: that even if the Theory of Evolution WERE to be defeated on scientific grounds, then a new stronger scientific theory would arise to take its place!

The evolutionists were also trying to use science to discredit the belief of Creationism. However that failed too, because you cannot cause someone to lose religious faith in something with scientific reasoning! Someone at one point even said outright that they were hoping to “disprove” Creationism! Can’t be done. Why? Because it was an act of a deity, and deities are not scientific creatures in themselves. Thus why would science have any effect in trying to debunk an act of a god, never mind one that people have believed comfortably for thousands of years?

So it’s really quite absurd actually. It was like watching two boxers throw punches at each other but one of them is ghostly and the other is material so they can’t touch each other! But it all ceased to be amusing the moment someone decided to resort to name-calling…
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[Cyborg Dragon]

I think I noticed one thing is that there's practically no one believing in Creationism debating this right now, which means it's simply a discussion on evolution as if it's fact, not debating whether intelligent design truly does critisize evolution successfully.

Truthfully I found it a defeat when the Kansas school board threw out intelligent design and the conservatives, but they've been known to play ring-around-the-rosy with this so it'll probably continue to be thrown back and forth (which many are getting tired of )
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[Hyraxylos]

Rayadragon:
But what the evolutionists were trying to do was get the CREATIONISTS to ACKNOWLEDGE that they were wrong! And no, as you said, never gonna happen. And it seems "clearly false" to some because they think more in terms of science rather than in religious belief.

Cyborg Dragon:
They only threw out intelligent design from science classes; it can still be taught elsewhere! Don't look at that as a defeat... If an act of God were to be presented as something scientific instead of something religious, then that would be rather disrespectful toward God, right?
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