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Cyborg Dragon
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 11:41    Post subject: Can a gay really become non-homosexual? Reply with quote

Apparently this story proves it
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56481

It says he used to be a gay rights activist, but not only has he dropped his activism, he's no longer a homosexual, and to throw another curve ball in the mix, he said God was the reason he's no longer gay.

So could this prove something, could this mean homosexuality doesn't have to be permanent or it may even be a choice people make? This sounds like it challenges some theories of things like genes making the person gay. Or simply that the Christian God has the power to change a person's sexual orientation.

What do you think?

NOTE: the words in the article are purely those chosen by the news editors and people of this article and do not represent the exact words I would use.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 12:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't particularly believe you can 100% prove anything, but in any case... Smile

I think this article is interesting, but it's really a one-time case. For this particular individual, he turned to christianity and away from homosexuality. In the lab, we'd think it was an interesting result and try to gather more information about what happened. The article does mention one other specific case, but other than these two particular cases doesn't really have any other information to support that you can "cure" an individual of their sexual orientation.

One interesting line in the article was that "calling homosexual sex purely "lust-based," meaning it can never fully satisfy. It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one...Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason"

I'd argue that initially, most attraction is lust-based, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual. Furthermore, neurotic processes ARE natural, normal processes. Think of any psychological disorder (please don't take the phrasing the wrong way...) such as depression, schizophrenia, etc. Most "normal" people would concider these to be neurotic processes, and yet they are still natural.

I think it would be far more unsatisfying for a person to try to force themselves into, or into maintaining, an attraction or relationship that they no longer believe in, no matter what the basis of that attraction is. The way I see the sort-of-author's situation is that initially, his life was satisfied by being gay (again, the phrasing sucks). Later in his life, he no longer felt satisfied by that lifestyle, whether it be because he had "outgrown" it or that his belief in christianity overrode any other aspect of his life. Although a touch cynical, he wouldn't be the first gay, or bisexual, to try to live a normal life because it was the "right" thing to do.

Bottom line, I don't think it's possible to "cure" someone of being gay. Then again, I don't think it's particularly wrong or anything that needs or should be cured. In this case I think it's far more likely that this individual's beliefs are blinding him to other feelings. The article really only offers up two examples of this occuring, and from a logical standpoint, you'd need a lot more people from all sides of the issues interviewed before you could really draw any conclusions. Otherwise, it'd be like taking two people at a Hillary Clinton presidential campaign ralley, asking them who's going to be the next president, and stating that since they were sure she was going to win that she would definatly be the next president.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 12:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

How fortunate that these words AREN'T yours. Because the statement that Glatze makes about what homosexuality is ("primarily lust-based"), is a downright in-your-face lie through the teeth. Homosexuals are not raving hormone-driven beasts who lurch around drooling for sex... not like some heterosexual individuals many people could name.
If his CLAIM (because of his attitude toward homosexuality, I don't believe it) is really true, then it's selfish of him to give up activism. One doesn't need to be among those whose civil rights are being trampled in order to support these people! Otherwise MLK wouldn't have had any white followers. It's also unfair to assert that all other gays should try and turn to a deity in order to "cleanse" themselves, rather than try to persuade society to cleanse itself of hate. After all if it was because of God then it was nothing short of a Miracle, and how can someone lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a Miracle wag his finger at others who are NOT so lucky? Sheesh...

EDIT: Forgot to answer the question. I do think it is possible to change one's sexual orientation, but think it spiritually unhealthy to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 12:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rayadragon wrote:
Well, I don't particularly believe you can 100% prove anything, but in any case... Smile

I think this article is interesting, but it's really a one-time case. For this particular individual, he turned to christianity and away from homosexuality.

Then do you agree that's an example of the power of turning to the Christian God and Christianity itself, people claim amazing changes to their lives by turning to the Christian God?

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Because the statement that Glatze makes about what homosexuality is ("primarily lust-based"), is a downright in-your-face lie through the teeth. Homosexuals are not raving hormone-driven beasts who lurch around drooling for sex...

I have no say in this because I've never seen it myself, I think it would be very far from applying to all of them, heck some homosexuals are really nice for all I know. I would not use those words toward gays, the right thing to say would be what you think Jesus would say, as he would not call them those words.

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EDIT: Forgot to answer the question. I do think it is possible to change one's sexual orientation, but think it spiritually unhealthy to do so.

Well homosexuality was listed as forbidden to the Jews near the beginning of the Old Testement. In other words, homosexuality is not healthy in the view of many Christians.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 12:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those aren't MY words; I'M not the one referring to homosexuals that way. That's the hurtful stereotype (likely with no basis in reality) set up by people who don't want them to have civil rights. What I'm saying is that this man is confused and/or a tool of anti-gay-marriage people.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 13:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

My only opposition towards gays is on a Biblical basis, if God says in the Bible to not support something, then his followers are not to support it either, as it is the holy book of Christianity.

I'd say I don't support the notion to hate them though.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 16:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyborg Dragon wrote:
My only opposition towards gays is on a Biblical basis, if God says in the Bible to not support something, then his followers are not to support it either, as it is the holy book of Christianity.


I assume you're basing that on Deuteronomy?



And in any case, your initial link (to World Net Daily, a highly conservative andoften biased news source), is probably at least partially wrong.

A 2002 study using sheep found that: "A study of gay sheep appears to confirm the controversial suggestion that there is a biological basis for sexual preference.
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Kay Larkin and colleagues from Oregon Health and Science University found the difference was in a particular region of the hypothalamus - the preoptic nucleus. The region is generally almost twice as large in rams as in ewes. But in gay rams its size was almost identical to that in "straight" females. [/quote]

Admittedly, that's not a human study, but if there's a genetic link in animals, I see no reason to think that the same thing is possible in humans.

Anyway, next on the list is a 2006 human study found that:
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new research again confirms that the more older brothers a male has, the more likely he is to be gay.


There are other hypotheses, such as that the genes in men makes women more fertile, that having a few of the genes would make men better parents, and having high numbers would cause homosexuality.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 16:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragnarok wrote:
Cyborg Dragon wrote:
My only opposition towards gays is on a Biblical basis, if God says in the Bible to not support something, then his followers are not to support it either, as it is the holy book of Christianity.


I assume you're basing that on Deuteronomy?

I think the Biblical view on homosexuality is in Deuteronomy, when homsexuality became forbidden among the ancient hebrews.
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