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Hyraxylos
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| My only opposition towards gays is on a Biblical basis, if God says in the Bible to not support something, then his followers are not to support it either, as it is the holy book of Christianity. |
At least it's a well-reasoned motive for opposition from a religious point of view. But THIS comment:
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| I'd say I don't support the notion to hate them though. |
THIS needs to pop up more often in society!  It makes a compromise that much easier to reach. Like giving individual churches the right not to go through with hosting a wedding if they don't want to.
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| Admittedly, that's not a human study, but if there's a genetic link in animals, I see no reason to think that the same thing is possible in humans. |
This is definitely what I meant earlier by "Miracle". Also why it's a rather far-fetched demand to tell someone to undergo such a change.
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Cyborg Dragon
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| Posted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 17:24 Post subject: |
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Well Jesus wouldn't hate them, why would he want his followers to hate them? One of Christianity's most important concept is to show love and compassion to others, this includes homosexuals, released inmates, whoever.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 17:25 Post subject: |
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| Cyborg Dragon wrote: |
| My only opposition towards gays is on a Biblical basis, if God says in the Bible to not support something, then his followers are not to support it either, as it is the holy book of Christianity. |
I assume you're basing that on Deuteronomy? |
I think the Biblical view on homosexuality is in Deuteronomy, when homsexuality became forbidden among the ancient hebrews. |
Sorry, got my books mixed up. I think it was Leviticus.
Lev.20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Homosexuality is not something that was simply forbidden. It was something punishable by death.
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Cyborg Dragon
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Well while some of God's law to the hebrews still apply to today's Christians that law, by no means, requires the ones to be put to death ordered by God, Jesus changed all that.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Tue 03 Jul 2007 17:32 Post subject: |
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| Cyborg Dragon wrote: |
| Well while some of God's law to the hebrews still apply to today's Christians that law, by no means, requires the ones to be put to death ordered by God, Jesus changed all that. |
So you keep the prohibition, and reject the punishment? Was God somehow less serious on that part?
And that's probably enough, or this thread'll get really off topic.
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Hyraxylos
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| Cyborg Dragon wrote: |
| Well Jesus wouldn't hate them, why would he want his followers to hate them? One of Christianity's most important concept is to show love and compassion to others, this includes homosexuals, released inmates, whoever. |
Yes but you're still showing an impressive amount of rational thinking not enough observed by some nutcases back home... actually the bad stuff can go both ways if not enough self-restraint and plain old simple LOGIC isn't observed by both sides. 
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| Homosexuality is not something that was simply forbidden. It was something punishable by death. |
That's in the Old Testament though. Quite fortunately, I might add. Even MORE fortunate that our modern government doesn't sanction such a strange response to homosexuality! 
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Rayadragon
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Well, I don't particularly believe you can 100% prove anything, but in any case...
I think this article is interesting, but it's really a one-time case. For this particular individual, he turned to christianity and away from homosexuality.
Then do you agree that's an example of the power of turning to the Christian God and Christianity itself, people claim amazing changes to their lives by turning to the Christian God?
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Yes and no. I think you can say it prompted his decision to do so, but to say it cured him of something that was "wrong" with him, no. By the same token, you could just as easily have a gay man find a woman that he fell in love with, and have that be what constitutes the change. It still doesn't change my position that this is, as reported in the article, an isolated incidence and not enough to draw any lasting conclusions from.
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