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Samariyu
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Eh, to make Eldest into a good movie they'd not only have to remake Eragon, but Chris would have to rewrite the books, too  . In my opinion, they were an epic fail. WAAAAAAAAAYYY too much like a cross between Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. It almost plagurizes LOTR. And the plot's a bit too cliche for me personally.... ....extreeeeeme epic fail.
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Hyraxylos
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| Samariyu wrote: |
| In my opinion, they were an epic fail. WAAAAAAAAAYYY too much like a cross between Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. It almost plagurizes LOTR. And the plot's a bit too cliche for me personally.... ....extreeeeeme epic fail. |
I saw someone make that same criticism, but I can't remember where. But the memory of what was said stuck deep in my mind because it sounded like an argument I started in my high school English class on why "Beowulf" would be widely regarded as lame in modern time. Too many things just HAPPEN to go right by sheer coincidence and the reader is supposed to think that it was "fate". XP
And yeah, a lot looked like it was taken from Tolkien and Rowling. Certainly not to the extent that Blizzard stole from Tolkien when making Warcraft, but enough to be noticeable and make one think. 
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Bloody Dragoness
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lol, the next book is titled "Brisingr" and is coming out on Sep 20th in America and Sep 21st in Australia.
Yeah, it is really cliched. The only original thing is the Ra'zac creatures. They are making an Eldest movie though  Better not be as repulsive as the Eragon one. |
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RattixEmpire
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I believe that in order to make Eldest a movie they will need to remake Eragon and actually stick to the plot. If they do carry on with the plot that has been taken up then they should not call it Eldest and it should not say based on the novel by christopher Paolini because the only thing that they did not change in Eragon was the names.
I am sorry if there are any spelling mistakes, I am dysgraphic. |
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Aaromus
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| Samariyu wrote: |
| Eh, to make Eldest into a good movie they'd not only have to remake Eragon, but Chris would have to rewrite the books, too . In my opinion, they were an epic fail. WAAAAAAAAAYYY too much like a cross between Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter. It almost plagurizes LOTR. And the plot's a bit too cliche for me personally.... ....extreeeeeme epic fail. |
Huh, even though this was an old post I felt the need to respond.
One of the things I've learned about through many years in literature classes is something called the Heroic Cycle.
Calling the Inheritance Cycle a copy of the Lord of the Rings or Star Wars is generally (not necessarily) due to a lack of certain areas literary knowledge. The basic template for a heroic myth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_cycle) is similar between different stories, and it goes back to Beowulf and Arthurian legend. Using those techniques to create a new myth is a sign of a writer with a strong background in myth and old literature, which is good, because all our modern day myths like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are based off the same general mythic cycle. Not all the intermediate steps were necessarily in the oldest mythic cycles, though.
So perceived similarities between these stories are a sign of good literary knowledge on Paolini's part, and you could say Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are total copies of those original hero myths, and are epic fail as such. But they aren't. You don't have to invent something entirely new for a good story. Reusing older ideas and exploring different angles and concepts with them is fine for storytelling. |
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SkieFireYokana
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Unfortunately, Aaromus, I've got the distinct feeling Paolini just got lucky you knew that, because while you're right--using that epic stock plotline is actually a good sign of a solid base in mythology--it can also just mean that he copied something that WAS written that skillfully. Now that I have matured in a literary sense compared to when I read the first book, I am fully capable of appreciating the immense change from first to third. The first book was actually what I would consider a fluke, personally. I'm glad it happened, though, because while its writing style and narrative was only superficially good, Paolini had improved VERY noticeably before writing Eldest, though the change was unfortunately only to the degree of giving it a good style and making it a good read on the outside. Symbolism and threads began to be woven between chapters, but not meaningfully, as he was simply making the world more details and not giving us any reason to care that it was. The third book, on the other hand, was very good in both a stylistic sense and an armature-of-the-story sense, the haphazard hints from the first and second novels actually being made into something useful now as though they were intended for that in the first place, and oh the connections he strings through chapters. Thematic stuff started to all make much more sense. I'm just waiting for the next and final book, which will hopefully have seen Paolini take a couple more literature courses and have learned how to turn the ENTIRE thing into a worthy statement hidden underneath the gem that is the storyline. Yes, the plotline itself was poorly laid out, but look what he did with it from there. I say that's a job well done. And ever since the second book, the writing has been very, very much above average. The first book was only above average if you take into account that he was still a teenager at the time of writing; in the world of published novels, it is sub-par. I think nobody can argue that it simply can't hold a match to a masterpiece like The Fellowship of the Ring (which is not a full novel, but actually a volume... but I digress) which is essentially the same thing but just as polished as the final book in the series unlike Eragon.
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Jasriella
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Yeah, Paolini was what....15 or 16 when he started Eragon? You have to give him bookoo credit for that. For a young teenager creating a book like the is phenomenal. And yes as he's grown and matured so have his books. I'm definitely looking forward to the 4th and supposedly final sequel to his tale. Plus I'm anxious to see what else he'll put out there now that he has a reputation and publisher.
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