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 Posted: Fri 10 Aug 2007 11:43 Post subject: Everyday Dragons |
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Everybody here knows about Dinosours, but did you know the word dinosour did not come into existance untill early this century? Therefor the name of dinosours had to be diffrent before that, and the only word that fits is: Dragon. Think about it, what is a large lizzard or lizzard like creature, possibly tremendous in size, and possibly capable of crushing man under foot? A Dragon (Or dinosour)! So it would only make sense that these creatures praised as dinosours, are truly, real life dragons.
Further more, for those I haven't lost already, There are dinosour sightings all over the world. Look it up on the web, there are tons of stories, all across the globe. If you wonder why we don't see them ourselves, ask yourself this quistion, when was the last time you saw a bear in town? You don't too often, large animals move away as humans move in, they know we are a threat to them. Either they are driven off, or leave. I wouldn't expect to see any the size they used to be, they don't have the freedom they once did, but if you looked hard enough, I'm sure you could find one, even if you didn't know it was.
I suggest looking in Google, because Yahoo has mostly stuff on "dinosour sightings" haveing to do with old technology. Remember, schools have been teaching that dinosours died off a long time ago, so anything posted on the web is most likely going to be more towards the disproof and making these people look like idiots. Oh and just because there are some religious sights that talk about it, don't dismiss them compleatly, I'm not saying to change your beliefs because of what you read there, but look at the evidance some of those places present, they got some cool stuff about dragons.
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Hyraxylos
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You've REALLY gotta take a step back here and think about the different kinds of dragons that have appeared over the centuries in stories all over the world. There's almost no limit at all to how chimerical (whether literally or descriptively) a creature labeled "dragon" can look. We're all familiar with the standard lizard/crocodile/bird/serpent/cat thing of course, but I've read about certain Chinese specimens that had CAMEL in them!  In fact, for a good example of how truly bizarre a dragon can look, take a look at these guys. Yes you may drop your jaw at how weird they look, but they ARE dragons. The big rocky guy in the upper left hovers around like a giant UFO when he wants to, and the watery squidlike creature makes a noise like an elephant trumpeting! (Play BoF4 sometime and you'll know what I mean.)
So basically... yes. Certainly if THOSE guys qualify as "dragons" then certainly the dinosaurs do. In fact the ancient Chinese once dug up some really old fossils loooooooong ago and thought they had stumbled into the resting place of a long-forgotten emperor or something. In some books I've read, the dinosaurs were referred to by other dragons as "Ancient Ones", though I forget where. This would support that the typical Earth dragons from that book whatever it was descended from dinos who apparently attempted to become birds but didn't quite make it. The result is easy enough to picture. 
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Fri 10 Aug 2007 19:10 Post subject: Re: Everyday Dragons |
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| Horde Commander wrote: |
| Everybody here knows about Dinosours, but did you know the word dinosour did not come into existance untill early this century? |
News to me. I thought that the word existed and was in very widespread usage long before 2001.
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| Therefor the name of dinosours had to be diffrent before that, and the only word that fits is: Dragon. |
Interesting hypothesis, but zero supporting evidence. The root word for dragon, the Latin word "draco" is a word which means serpent. The word only became associated with bic scaly monsters in the middle ages, where it was used, it seems, mostly as a literary device. There are some accounts of actual ones existing, but none in any form which resembles a dinosaur.
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| Think about it, what is a large lizzard or lizzard like creature, possibly tremendous in size, and possibly capable of crushing man under foot? A Dragon (Or dinosour)! |
Or an exaggeration, or a myth, or an allegory, or a metaphor.
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| So it would only make sense that these creatures praised as dinosours, are truly, real life dragons. |
No, not really.
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| ]Further more, for those I haven't lost already, There are dinosour sightings all over the world. |
And they're about as credible as Elvis sightings. There's zero actual evidence that any dinosaurs are roaming the Earth today.
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| Look it up on the web, there are tons of stories, all across the globe. |
And none of them are at all credible.
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| If you wonder why we don't see them ourselves, ask yourself this quistion, when was the last time you saw a bear in town? |
For most people, it's because they don't share a common territory. For those that do, the bears can and often do become an everyday sight.
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| You don't too often, large animals move away as humans move in, they know we are a threat to them. Either they are driven off, or leave. |
Have humans been driving off dinosaurs? You should be able to find a few saurian bodies left over from such occasions, but none exist.
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| I wouldn't expect to see any the size they used to be, they don't have the freedom they once did, but if you looked hard enough, I'm sure you could find one, even if you didn't know it was. |
Many species which have less room to roam than they once did still remain as large as they did in the past. Provided that the size did not become a negative selective attribute, there'd be no incentive for them to become any smaller.
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| I suggest looking in Google, because Yahoo has mostly stuff on "dinosour sightings" haveing to do with old technology. Remember, schools have been teaching that dinosours died off a long time ago, so anything posted on the web is most likely going to be more towards the disproof and making these people look like idiots. |
Schools teach that because it is as close to an absolute scientific fact that it's possible to get. There is ZERO real evidence that dinosaurs existed past ~65mya.
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| Oh and just because there are some religious sights that talk about it, don't dismiss them compleatly, I'm not saying to change your beliefs because of what you read there, but look at the evidance some of those places present, they got some cool stuff about dragons. |
Evidence? Zero, zip, nada. If there were any real evidence to support the assertion that dinosaurs were alive today, then it WOULD BE TAUGHT! There is NO "scientific conspiracy" aimed at keeping people ignorant. If it could be shown that dinosaurs existed today, it would be ALL OVER THE NEWS!
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Ragnarok, I'll admit you have a good point. The reason you hadn't heard that the word dinosaur was invented just this century is because it wasn't. The word dinosaur has been around since the late 1700, and, as a good teacher will have informed his/her students, it came from the Latin word meaning "thunder lizard." However, I've found a credible source that has informed me of a carcass found by a trawler off the coast of Indonesia, believed to belong to a plesiosaur. Samples of the flesh were taken and tested, and the result don't match that of any creature currently known to man. Dinosaur. And, although unlikely, "dragons" may have been trapped or moved into caves yet unknown. Wings will have become obsolete, as well as sight most likely, but living deep enough or close enough to volcanic vents can supply them with enough heat to survive and adapt to cooler temperatures. It would in no way surprise me if gargantuan cave lizards are found one day. as for "fire breath," the so called dragons could have separate air sacs, some holding pure oxygen, others holding methane. The chemicals would combust on contact. "Dragons may be able to do this voluntarily as well, something of an instinctual suicide, which may explain for the shortage of bodies.
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| TheAlmightyNoodle wrote: |
| Ragnarok, I'll admit you have a good point. The reason you hadn't heard that the word dinosaur was invented just this century is because it wasn't. The word dinosaur has been around since the late 1700, and, as a good teacher will have informed his/her students, it came from the Latin word meaning "thunder lizard." |
Well before 2001, as I said.
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| However, I've found a credible source that has informed me of a carcass found by a trawler off the coast of Indonesia, believed to belong to a plesiosaur. Samples of the flesh were taken and tested, and the result don't match that of any creature currently known to man. Dinosaur. |
Absolutely false. Your "credible source" is either lying to you, badly misinformed or very out of date.
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| And, although unlikely, "dragons" may have been trapped or moved into caves yet unknown. |
Where, unless they had ready access to the surface, they would have suffocated long ago.
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| Wings will have become obsolete, as well as sight most likely, but living deep enough or close enough to volcanic vents can supply them with enough heat to survive and adapt to cooler temperatures. |
Though there're these little things called food and air (air-breathing creatures will NOT be able to instantly adapt to conditions several thousand feet underwater) that cause that hypothesis some trouble.
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| It would in no way surprise me if gargantuan cave lizards are found one day. as for "fire breath," the so called dragons could have separate air sacs, some holding pure oxygen, others holding methane. The chemicals would combust on contact. "Dragons may be able to do this voluntarily as well, something of an instinctual suicide, which may explain for the shortage of bodies. |
It would surprise me greatly if gargantuan cave anythings were discovered. There's a distinct lack of food deep in caves. Bats maybe, but a gargantuan creature would finish them off pretty quickly - assuming, of course, that it could catch them - and a stable breeding population of such would decimate ecosystems.
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It would in no way surprise me if gargantuan cave lizards are found one day. as for "fire breath," the so called dragons could have separate air sacs, some holding pure oxygen, others holding methane. The chemicals would combust on contact. "Dragons may be able to do this voluntarily as well, something of an instinctual suicide, which may explain for the shortage of bodies.
It would surprise me greatly if gargantuan cave anythings were discovered. There's a distinct lack of food deep in caves. Bats maybe, but a gargantuan creature would finish them off pretty quickly - assuming, of course, that it could catch them - and a stable breeding population of such would decimate ecosystems. |
Although, the same harsh conditions are at the bottom of the sea, and quite a few creatures are enormous down there.
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| Shadow Dragon wrote: |
| Although, the same harsh conditions are at the bottom of the sea, and quite a few creatures are enormous down there. |
More food down there, I think.
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The idea of oxygen circulation down that deep is another issue they have. I think it is volcanic vents do that. So maybe caves have something similar when you get far enough down.
Although it is probably possible to take things like sonar and other technology and probe every which way of the underground, the fact is is that it hasn't been. I can't remember the exact numbers, but only about 20% of undercaves have been documented and explored. As much as discovery is a huge part of human existance, without proper funding and dedication...it just doesn't get done.
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