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Dragoneyes
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No lets flip this to you... You tell me why the death penalty should be revoked. I'm curious what possible advantage there is to keeping a serial killer alive.. All you have proved to me is that the system can & does make mistakes but the people that I have mentioned before where convicted of serial murders. Serial means multiple... you know Ted Bundy, Jeffery Domher, John Gasey.
I mean do you really think your god is going to let you into heaven because you saved a killers life in exchange for the people he killed ?  
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Raven
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 7:05 Post subject: |
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| No lets flip this to you... You tell me why the death penalty should be revoked. |
Actually, that's technically the correct way to go about this debate. Since the death penalty laws already exists the burden of proof falls to you, Ragnarok.
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Solid
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 14:39 Post subject: |
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I'll just say the death penalty needs to be used on people who escape from prison more then once. Not the everyday petty guy who are only in there a month are two. Just the Murders and such. If there are charge and found guilty and if they break out of prison more then once and commit more murders (and such) they can be allowed the death penalty.
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Hyraxylos
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 16:59 Post subject: |
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| Dragoneyes wrote: |
| I mean do you really think your god is going to let you into heaven because you saved a killers life in exchange for the people he killed ? |
What do the gods have to do with anything? We're talking about American law here.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 17:01 Post subject: |
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| No lets flip this to you... You tell me why the death penalty should be revoked. |
Actually, that's technically the correct way to go about this debate. Since the death penalty laws already exists the burden of proof falls to you, Ragnarok. |
That's rather debatable. It's been eliminated in half of the US states (though a number of those are on hold because of issues with lethal injection) as well as all European countries (with two small exceptions), the rest of North America, Australia and parts of Africa and South America. And its use is extremely limited in most of the rest of South America. From that, it could be argued that worldwide, the general consensus is away from the death penalty.
Also, if there is a reason for it to exist, there would have to be a reason why it is better than the next-best option, which is life in prison. If it is equal or inferior, there is no reason for it to exist. The burden, therefore, is on its supporters to show that it is better.
That aside, I'll make my case again.
One: There is a chance of a wrongful execution, wherein an innocent person is sentenced to death and has that sentence carried out.
Two: There is no deterrent effect caused by executions, and there may even be a reverse-deterrent effect, as states with the death penalty have higher crime rates. Correlation, of course, is not causation, so this one is difficult to confirm.
Three: A life sentence is as effective as the death penalty at keeping the individual separated from society, and, unlike the death penalty, is at least partially reversible if the person proves to be innocent.
Four: The death penalty is actually more expensive (relevant section begins on page 6) than life in prison.
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| I mean do you really think your god is going to let you into heaven because you saved a killers life in exchange for the people he killed ? |
They're dead, no matter how you look at it. Why add one more death to that list?
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Dragoneyes
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 19:39 Post subject: |
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I read your excuses and why is it more expensive? Because all you bleeding heart liberals allow the convicted killer so many excuses to prolong his life that yes it is more expensive. They don't allow murders that where convicted to life in prison that many chances. But if it where the same, I'd bet it would be cheaper by far. You also stated that in most other countries they have abolished it. Maybe but if you saw South American prisons most that are convicted to life die because of disease or killed by others. They also allow torture in middle eastern countries. I once saw a Japanese prison. Most people in there would welcome death because of the way they are treated. Eating cockroaches, fish heads & rice. So are we so inhuman?
And as far as my comment about god. This is my take on it. A lot of people think by stopping abortions, death penalties performed that they can somehow make themselves think they are doing gods work. Therefore make themselves feel less of a bigot or better than others. I think religion is something that is taught to you. Spirituality is something found from within.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Fri 28 Mar 2008 19:55 Post subject: |
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| Dragoneyes wrote: |
| I read your excuses and why is it more expensive? Because all you bleeding heart liberals allow the convicted killer so many excuses to prolong his life that yes it is more expensive. |
Can you do better than trying to insult me?
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| They don't allow murders that where convicted to life in prison that many chances. |
And even with those "safeguards" mistakes are made and innocents are executed from time to time. Far better, then, to sentence them to life.
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| But if it where the same, I'd bet it would be cheaper by far. |
Indeed, but then there would be fewer safeguards and the odds of a wrongful execution go up.
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| You also stated that in most other countries they have abolished it. Maybe but if you saw South American prisons most that are convicted to life die because of disease or killed by others. |
Supporting evidence, please?
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| They also allow torture in middle eastern countries. So who now is inhuman? |
Most of them also allow executions. What's your point?
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Dragoneyes
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Are you a bleeding heart liberal? Sorry but if the shoe fits. As far as supporting evidence goes. Here on the mainland we have a thing called a TV and there are many news shows like 20-20, MSNBC, and many others that show the horrible conditions in other prisons around the world. I can't believe you have not seen any. Most are put on by these bleeding heart religious people sticking their nose in other countries business and trying to get us in an uproar to help democratize and tame the savage people that are less fortunate than us.
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