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Hyraxylos
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 Posted: Tue 19 Feb 2008 8:59 Post subject: Georgian Stupidity, Guns, and Male Compensation |
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http://www.ajc.com/search/content/news/stories/2008/02/19/guns0219.html
The sooner I finish college and finally become able to get OUT of this city, the better; it's becoming unbearable. It's also becoming unbearably dangerous as well, and there isn't one single redeeming argument for this latest idiocy in my "wise" and "beloved" Atlanta. Repeatedly I keep asking the question "What's the big deal with guns anyway?" and deep down I realize I've already figured everything out, and the truth ain't pretty. Now that I mention that I recall I've already established a well-reasoned and well-supported theory behind the psychology but I can't actually say it outright because someone will probably want to censor it, and understandably so. But maybe you can guess at it anyway. (HINT: read the title again!)
Why men feel the need for the power to kill one another anytime they wish in order to feel masculine is beyond me; I've never understood this sort of thing. Possibly this is part of why I was so popular among girls in high school (and thus bitterly hated by boys, especially popular Christian jock posses) as Master says, but having a good guess of WHAT goes on in the heads of some men doesn't bring me any closer to understanding WHY it goes on. This frustrates me to no end. Just imagine if you will. Already at baseball games here, drunkards watching from the stands like to throw drained batteries and pieces of broken glass at players they don't like (for which they should be locked up on charges of assault, but they aren't unfortunately). But with this legislation passed, they'll now be able to SHOOT players they don't like instead! Boy doesn't that make me feel so safe now!
The worst part is that I can't do anything about it other than write a letter to a politician, and that will probably be ignored. And before someone decides to throw some sort of Second Amendment nonsense at me, don't bother. The Second Amendment makes reference to a "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA", and drunken sots waving firearms around in parks and stadiums in order to feel more "manly" do not fit that definition. We should only have the right to own guns in our private homes for when the time inevitably comes someday to overthrow our government again and that's it. The "power to defend ourselves in public"? Don't make me laugh. I can protect myself adequately enough without a gun, and if someone made up their mind to kill me and they were determined enough then they'd do it and succeed whether I was armed or not.
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Miru
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I will keep the right to bear arms. The gvm't is infringing on our rights more and more every day. The reason I bear arms is for protection not only from the government but from theives and murderers.Also I will shoot a theif that breaks into my house,because they are trying to steal the things I worked for. Say they steal my tv. They are actually stealing those hours I worked to get that TV. They are stealing part of my life,and that is ireplacable.You better watch out if you break in to my house goverment or not.If my dog doesnt kill you, I will, and I promise if you even think of harming me or my family,you will not get out alive.
Those are my beliefs.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Tue 19 Feb 2008 16:41 Post subject: |
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I'm not sure if that's a debatable point or a rant, but let's see what can be made of it.
Title point #1: "Georgian stupidity": Well, Georgia does have the lowest high school graduation rate in the country (source), though there could well be a multitude of other factors that are involved with that number. I'm also far from certain that that's what you're trying to get at.
Title point #2: Guns:
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| Repeatedly I keep asking the question "What's the big deal with guns anyway?" |
I can't speak for other people, but I find them to be quite entertaining, on a similar level to archery (which I do have some interest in, though I don't own one of either, and have only used them a few times in my life). Also, if you are a hunter, then you can go out and use those skills to bring home dinner every now and then.
Addressing Miru's point about defense, personally, I'd rather not use a gun, and instead rely on my own martial arts skills. The problem that I have with using weapons in that role is that while they can be useful tools, they can also be turned on their owners. There's also the fact that weapons like guns or knives are inherently lethal weapons, unlike a fist or even a blunt weapon, which can be used to subdue or incapacitate far more easily than a gun or a knife.
Title point #3: "Male Compensation"
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| Why men feel the need for the power to kill one another anytime they wish in order to feel masculine is beyond me; I've never understood this sort of thing. |
Judging from what you've said, you don't appear to be a Georgian native, so it could be a cultural thing that you're missing.
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| But with this legislation passed, they'll now be able to SHOOT players they don't like instead! Boy doesn't that make me feel so safe now! |
While I do rather hate to say it, it may well take a few deaths to make people reconsider those laws. Right now, the argument is "they have the license, they're responsible, so they should be able to take their weapons where they want." While arguing that they may not be quite as responsible as the bill's proponents would like to think does, to me at least, seem more accurate, it is still an argument that is more hypothetical than factual. If there are a few incidents, then perhaps the laws will be reconsidered.
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Hyraxylos
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| Posted: Tue 19 Feb 2008 18:42 Post subject: |
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| Miru wrote: |
| I will keep the right to bear arms. The gvm't is infringing on our rights more and more every day. The reason I bear arms is for protection not only from the government but from theives and murderers. |
I feel this way also, though I didn't expand on it in the original post because in my anger I wasn't focussing on that. My family doesn't keep guns in our house because we wouldn't feel safe and there are plenty of other ways of putting down intruders available to us because we have a LOT of junk.  But not everyone does, and some people would simply feel safer with a firearm.
People generally raise eyebrows at the whole "revolution" thing, but that's just because the time hasn't come yet and it won't for a very long while. But our democracy has already shown repeated signs of decaying in certain areas with corruption slipping in and corruption is just natural with ANY civilization; it's a constant cycle of the people overthrowing authority, the new government slowly getting corrupt, and then another revolution happening again.
But regardless, this whole retarded business of toting guns around in public has simply got to stop. I know the NRA is fond of chanting "guns don't kill people" but the fact is they DO. Guns regularly go off all by themselves, even without anyone handling them, and they kill people. If a couple of idiots decide they want to win Darwin Awards because they think firearms are nothing but toys since they haven't learned otherwise (the hard way), that's fine with me, but I don't want anyone innocent getting hurt in places like parks, stadiums, schools, and churches. And I especially don't want people carrying guns to be served alcohol!
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| Judging from what you've said, you don't appear to be a Georgian native, so it could be a cultural thing that you're missing. |
Unfortunately I WAS born in Atlanta. But it’s not my fault, I swear! 
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| While I do rather hate to say it, it may well take a few deaths to make people reconsider those laws. Right now, the argument is "they have the license, they're responsible, so they should be able to take their weapons where they want." While arguing that they may not be quite as responsible as the bill's proponents would like to think does, to me at least, seem more accurate, it is still an argument that is more hypothetical than factual. If there are a few incidents, then perhaps the laws will be reconsidered. |
Dude… That’s what I don’t like to swallow about this whole thing. Like I said before, if there are a few Darwin Awards then fine, but it’s so unfair and cruel of fate that stupid people should take out innocents with them. 
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Tue 19 Feb 2008 20:09 Post subject: |
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| Hyraxylos wrote: |
| Unfortunately I WAS born in Atlanta. But it’s not my fault, I swear! |
Ah, my mistake then. Different subculture, perhaps? I'm writing from several thousand miles away, and I've never been to the southern US, so I'm just speculating here. In other words, I don't get it either. :P
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| Dude… That’s what I don’t like to swallow about this whole thing. Like I said before, if there are a few Darwin Awards then fine, but it’s so unfair and cruel of fate that stupid people should take out innocents with them. |
No argument there.
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Dragoneyes
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Ah yes, the right to bear arms...
This is just an excuse for some guy that couldn't make it in the military to go out and buy a gun and feel that he is going to save the good ole US of A from invaders. What a load of Crap. I think if you need a weapon for your own protection that is fine but to have a fortified bunker with 20 assault rifles is just plain stupid. I live in Michigan and we have plenty of watabe military geniuses running around thinking that the government is out to get them. They call themselves the Michigan Militia. I spent 6 years in the military and there is no country stupid enough to invade the USA. So why do we need all these weapons? We don't. The excuse is if guns aren't legal that the criminals would be the only ones to have them. Blah! Most guns are stolen from law biding citizens.
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Hyraxylos
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| Dragoneyes wrote: |
Ah yes, the right to bear arms...
This is just an excuse for some guy that couldn't make it in the military to go out and buy a gun and feel that he is going to save the good ole US of A from invaders. What a load of Crap. I think if you need a weapon for your own protection that is fine but to have a fortified bunker with 20 assault rifles is just plain stupid. I live in Michigan and we have plenty of watabe military geniuses running around thinking that the government is out to get them. They call themselves the Michigan Militia. I spent 6 years in the military and there is no country stupid enough to invade the USA. So why do we need all these weapons? We don't. The excuse is if guns aren't legal that the criminals would be the only ones to have them. Blah! Most guns are stolen from law biding citizens. |
I just now remembered the last time I had this argument with someone and they weren't listening (he was about 17 or something). I brought up how absurd it would be to use assault rifles against deer and all he could think about was how "cool" that would be. The discussion got even dumber when he talked about how even "cooler" it would be if someone would successfully invent a gun disguised as a fountain pen. 
...OK even I had to laugh at that. I think there's hope if people will be able to take a step back and realize suddenly how moronic they've been over the whole fascination with guns. Why can't the NRA feel satisfied with Super Soakers instead? 
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Ragnarok
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| Hyraxylos wrote: |
| I just now remembered the last time I had this argument with someone and they weren't listening (he was about 17 or something). I brought up how absurd it would be to use assault rifles against deer and all he could think about was how "cool" that would be. |
A standard hunting rifle would probably be just as effective, though, and a fully automatic weapon, would just be ridiculous if you intended to eat the kill.
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| The discussion got even dumber when he talked about how even "cooler" it would be if someone would successfully invent a gun disguised as a fountain pen. |
Done and used. 
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