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Hyraxylos
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| Now about my first post, I was told by my brother that Sadam was planning to invade again. This was from him and I did not ask for proof so I might be wrong. But even if he was'nt we still got rid of a power hungery leader. |
Saddam Hussein has never invaded us before. That's just the propaganda telling you that he was responsible for 9/11, a truly ludicrous claim right from the beginning. And what about the power-hungry leaders elsewhere? Will we try to take over the whole world next? How about the power-hungry leaders here in America? Our government is, on the whole, a pretty greedy and evil organization but I don't see Europe lifting a finger to "help" us. They're different from us in that they know better. It's up to the people of a country to overthrow their own tyrants as they see fit.
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Solid
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 6:49 Post subject: |
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| Solid wrote: |
| Now about my first post, I was told by my brother that Sadam was planning to invade again. This was from him and I did not ask for proof so I might be wrong. But even if he was'nt we still got rid of a power hungery leader. |
Saddam Hussein has never invaded us before. That's just the propaganda telling you that he was responsible for 9/11, a truly ludicrous claim right from the beginning. And what about the power-hungry leaders elsewhere? Will we try to take over the whole world next? How about the power-hungry leaders here in America? Our government is, on the whole, a pretty greedy and evil organization but I don't see Europe lifting a finger to "help" us. They're different from us in that they know better. It's up to the people of a country to overthrow their own tyrants as they see fit. |
I didn't mean the US. He was in fact (still getting this by word of mouth) planing on invading neighboring countrys. I know Sadam was not responsible for 9/11.
The USA is not trying to take over the world, I can't seem to fathom how many people have come to this idea. We are just trying to force are ideals on of goverments, and yes we of power-hungery people in our own goverment. "Power corrupts all" and we have to relize this. It depends not on how corrupt the leader is but on how he (or she) tries to get that power.
Sadam was a leader who was resorting to violence it gain power. This is why we got into the Gulf war. I also would call are goverment evil. Yes sometimes a ninny will rise to power and mess things up. But we have never done any thing like Hitler are anyother "evil" leader.
Europe has not only lifted a finger but a gun as well. They went in to Afganastan and Iraq at the start and when they saw there own gas prices rise and then a long war ahead they backed down and hid in a hole calling the USA a bully. At least we stay in what we got are self into. Europe is almost the same as there USA counter-part. They have done just as bad thing they just as bad leaders.
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Hyraxylos
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 7:34 Post subject: |
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| We are just trying to force are ideals on of goverments |
That doesn’t sound like global domination to you? It’s still wrong if the people don’t want what we’re trying to force upon them.
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| Yes sometimes a ninny will rise to power and mess things up. But we have never done any thing like Hitler are anyother "evil" leader. |
Hitler is a straw man, and actually our government HAS done that sort of thing. They just didn’t put it in public school textbooks because they don’t want America’s youth to know about it. Read about the role eugenics has played in America. Read about forced abortions and compulsory sterilizations and the Japanese Internment Act. All likewise Holocausts on their own, and right here in our home too. Shocked? I certainly was.
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| Europe has not only lifted a finger but a gun as well. |
I meant they’re not deploying troops over here in America to force us to change in a way we don’t want to, even though THEY think it would be good for us.
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| They went in to Afganastan and Iraq at the start and when they saw there own gas prices rise and then a long war ahead they backed down and hid in a hole calling the USA a bully. At least we stay in what we got are self into. Europe is almost the same as there USA counter-part. They have done just as bad thing they just as bad leaders. |
We’ve got some Europeans here on this forum right? Would anyone like to show what the gas prices are like over there? In Russia I’ve seen it cost around the equivalent of eight dollars a gallon; Americans have nothing to complain about in comparison.
Europe doesn’t want to fight because they’re intelligent, unlike America. And I’m sorry if that offends people, really I am, but it simply has to be said. We don’t know what we’re doing over there, we have no conditions for “victory” in Iraq, and we shouldn’t have invaded in the first place. Americans especially like to rip on French people, calling them cowards more than any other European race, but lets look at history.
France said NOT to invade Vietnam.
USA invaded Vietnam.
We discovered too late that we shouldn’t have done that and it cost us.
France and many other countries said NOT to invade Iraq.
USA invaded Iraq.
Guess what!  (fill in blank here)
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Solid
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 8:11 Post subject: |
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I wont be using the quote for I always have bad luck with it.
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Theres a differnce between global domination and force trying to force ideals on countrys. To have complete global domination the world must be under on rule on power. This is not Americas goal.
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I would have to adgree on the the answer consering the Japanese Internment Act. It only came to after the post. It was wrong but every one will make a mistake.
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Europe does'nt need to we are already like them.
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Russian have a differnt from of money then we "Americans" have.
Consering the last statments.
Europe 'rips' on us Americans as much as we do to them. They think were are overweight and stuiped.
France Invade Veitnam looking for new land to settle on.
France was not perpared for the Veit Cong.
France was overran and called on America's help.
And when American got there boots muddy with French problem, the French ran away back home.
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Ragnarok
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 11:16 Post subject: |
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| Solid wrote: |
| I didn't mean the US. He was in fact (still getting this by word of mouth) planing on invading neighboring countrys. |
He was not doing any such thing at the start of the 2003 invasion. I ask that you either give up on this claim or find the evidence to back it up. Word of mouth is not evidence.
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| The USA is not trying to take over the world, I can't seem to fathom how many people have come to this idea. We are just trying to force are ideals on of goverments, and yes we of power-hungery people in our own goverment. |
And that "forcing our ideals on other governments" is exactly what other countries mean when they say that the US is trying to take over. Regional and historical considerations are thrown aside, and we demand that everyone in the world be exactly like us.
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| Europe has not only lifted a finger but a gun as well. They went in to Afganastan and Iraq at the start and when they saw there own gas prices rise and then a long war ahead they backed down and hid in a hole calling the USA a bully. |
The European countries as well as many others assisted us with Afghanistan because the Taliban was actively shielding and aiding Al Quaida, which pretty much everyone agreed was a danger. There was no such consensus on Iraq, and the countries which did deploy troops only sent a handful of them. At the start, the US sent in about 250,000, while the next highest country, England, sent 45,000, and the next highest after that, Australia, sent 2,000.
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| Theres a differnce between global domination and force trying to force ideals on countrys. To have complete global domination the world must be under on rule on power. This is not Americas goal. |
There are ways to dominate without a direct use of force. Strongarming other governments to force them to become just like the US is one of them.
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| Europe does'nt need to we are already like them. |
Depends, I guess, on how you want to measure "just like them." England, for example, still has a monarchy. The Vatican, though without a standing army, is a theocracy. Many of them have legalized homosexual marriages. Almost completely secular governments. Far more liberal (in general) than the US.
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| Russian have a differnt from of money then we "Americans" have. |
And so....what?
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Solid
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 11:40 Post subject: |
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Solid wrote:
I didn't mean the US. He was in fact (still getting this by word of mouth) planing on invading neighboring countrys.
He was not doing any such thing at the start of the 2003 invasion. I ask that you either give up on this claim or find the evidence to back it up. Word of mouth is not evidence |
I'll look around for some info.
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The USA is not trying to take over the world, I can't seem to fathom how many people have come to this idea. We are just trying to force are ideals on of goverments, and yes we of power-hungery people in our own goverment.
And that "forcing our ideals on other governments" is exactly what other countries mean when they say that the US is trying to take over. Regional and historical considerations are thrown aside, and we demand that everyone in the world be exactly like us.
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Yes more cloak and dagger, it's still better then outright conquest.
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Europe has not only lifted a finger but a gun as well. They went in to Afganastan and Iraq at the start and when they saw there own gas prices rise and then a long war ahead they backed down and hid in a hole calling the USA a bully.
The European countries as well as many others assisted us with Afghanistan because the Taliban was actively shielding and aiding Al Quaida, which pretty much everyone agreed was a danger. There was no such consensus on Iraq, and the countries which did deploy troops only sent a handful of them. At the start, the US sent in about 250,000, while the next highest country, England, sent 45,000, and the next highest after that, Australia, sent 2,000. |
Well we are already we might as well put in some effort now that me are stuck there. I think that we need to pull the weed out by the roots. Stop the Al Quaida who will cause the USA more pain in furture. Also will there we should help the Iraqie goverment get better training on there troops and such.
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Europe does'nt need to we are already like them.
Depends, I guess, on how you want to measure "just like them." England, for example, still has a monarchy. The Vatican, though without a standing army, is a theocracy. Many of them have legalized homosexual marriages. Almost completely secular governments. Far more liberal (in general) than the US. |
I thought the England monarchy was just a sham, are does the family still hold power?
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Russian have a differnt from of money then we "Americans" have.
And so....what? |
Just stating the fact that the russian dollar could be more are less then the US dollar.
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 12:21 Post subject: |
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| Yes more cloak and dagger, it's still better then outright conquest. |
I really wouldn't call putting overt political pressure on a country "cloak and dagger."
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| Well we are already we might as well put in some effort now that me are stuck there. I think that we need to pull the weed out by the roots. Stop the Al Quaida who will cause the USA more pain in furture. Also will there we should help the Iraqie goverment get better training on there troops and such. |
That's the idea.
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| I thought the England monarchy was just a sham, are does the family still hold power? |
England is a constitutional monarchy, so while the royal family holds little political power, it does still exist as such.
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Russian have a differnt from of money then we "Americans" have.
And so....what? |
Just stating the fact that the russian dollar could be more are less then the US dollar. |
You missed the word "equivalent." Saying that it cost the equivalent of eight dollars means that the cost in rubles (there is no "Russian dollar") is equal to about eight US dollars.
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Solid
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| Posted: Fri 21 Mar 2008 12:30 Post subject: |
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Russian Rubles, I did not know the from of currency the Russians used and I was in a hurry to respond for I was work on a program of mine. (GP5) So I did'nt bother to google it.
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