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LEE
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In christianity satan is described as a dragon also he is described as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. that means he is waiting for any chance to pervert your mind, seeking whom he may devour. I'm not quite sure about dragons other than the notion that dragons are mighty and fearsome. I think that one of the things that makes somthing evil is if you were to worship or give it the power. For instance you worship a twig and will not do anything with out its permission. So the twig has the power over your life. I personaly believe against being spiritualy a dragon. Truth, to ones self, is only what he bileves for it dictates ones actions. What is reality is proven but forgotten and rejected but shall be proven once again. I think that the hypacrits of christianity (the ones that sit in church yet do NOTHING)
are a bad example and a major down fall of christianity. There is a statment i have heard " there is no bad student, only a bad teacher" that i think discribs people in the pulpet (pastors). The people that use the religion for their profit spred confusion in this. I don't think dragons are evil just a creature used to describe a fearsome adversary. like the lion. I am sure that is not an evil animale. Just fearse. Another example in the bible describes the tounge as an uncontrolable fire filled with venome like the serpent. in this if you do not be wary of your speech it will burst out and sting all who hear with insult.(in a nutshell: watch what you say) to close this Its what you do with "dragons" that desides if it is good or evil.
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Hyraxylos
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| I do not think it is fear of curiosity. I think people just like to believe what information is fed to them, which is laziness. To me, fear comes into play when they see that it is possible and then try to ignore it. |
You forget to factor in that fundamentalists too frequently claim that "questioning" something is the same thing as "doubting" something, and that's why I say that it IS a fear of curiosity, a fear that someone in the "flock" will wonder what it is beyond the "acceptable" boundaries that the clergy are so terrified of.
| LEE wrote: |
| I think that one of the things that makes somthing evil is if you were to worship or give it the power. For instance you worship a twig and will not do anything with out its permission. So the twig has the power over your life. |
Then, of course, comes the problem with who is "holy" enough to interpret what the twig "wants"... Corruption anyone??? 
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| I personaly believe against being spiritualy a dragon. Truth, to ones self, is only what he bileves for it dictates ones actions. What is reality is proven but forgotten and rejected but shall be proven once again. |
"Truth, to one's self, is only what he believes"... From the beginning Master was very stern in warning me of falling into this particular trap, which connects directly to a scenario of pure misery that we know as "absolute certainty". A crucial part of my belief system is that there is nothing I can be absolutely certain of except for "I am". Nothing else can be 100% or 0%, especially when we're talking spirituality. I don't want to fly into a rage from someone else criticizing my strange-sounding beliefs so I acknowledge that there is a considerable chance that I COULD be wrong about everything. In debates I've been called a pussy for this. Maybe that's true or maybe it isn't (lol there I go again!), but I'd rather be a "pussy" than a zealot. :P How could truth really be restricted exclusively to just me anyhow? Heck, how could anyone know absolutely everything about every aspect of their own being? I can't see if there's a bug on the back of my head can I?
On the other hand the fallacy of absolute certainty can go the other way, from the other party. As in, "you think you're a dragon, you must be either evil or stupid." That's a rather aggressive conclusion to jump to about someone else isn't it? Particularly when you factor in the total lack of evidence to support such a claim. If I were to say anything along those lines I'd first take a step back and examine my own feelings before examining the beliefs of someone else; it's better to have the right reasons for challenging someone, than to be right for the wrong reasons.
...Say, wouldn't you know it! It's in the BIBLE!!  (Matthew 7:1) What a happy coincidence!
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Celtore
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Let's see...I actually read something somewhere that told of dragons being part of the Angelic hierarchy or something. Maybe related to the Seraphim...Let me see if I can dig this up...
Ah, here it is:
| draconic chronicler of Unexplained Mysteries Forums wrote: |
As I have suggested before, there may be a kernel of truth behind all ancient dragon legends, and there are actually some interesting similarities between the Murraugh/Patrick and Columba stories. If my theory that Yahweh is a dragon, as well as the seraphim assistants (for which there is quite overwhelming proof as you know) is correct, then 'local' British Isles dragons which preyed on 'pagans' with impunity for centuries, and played their gods, may have been forced to 'cease and desist' preying on the newly converted "Yahweh worshippers" or depart the area, exactly as related..
If we are to take the legend at face value, Nessie for example, had just killed/perhaps eaten one man and was chasing another when Columba warned the beast that he 'worked for Yahweh' and could no longer harm the people who would now worship Yahweh. This dragon seemed quite startled by this information, probably related in a civilized tongue like Lain, and desisted from the attack. In this case the dragon decided to stay in the region, but we have no later accounts of it preying on humans.
In Ireland too, and in the same time period two Saints converting pagans to worship Yahweh, persuade dragons to either leave, or like Nessie, stay in lakes and subsist on a non-human diet, as in the case of "Paiste", who seems to be an ancient dragon familiar to the earlier pagan culture.
There is a popular conception that the pre Christian pagans of the British Isles regarded dragons as 'good', but for all we know, may have freely fed them human offerings so they would remain 'good', which may be why the efforts of the early christian saints to 'tame' them or drive them away were appreciated so much, and why the people were quickly converted to new beliefs (which in that period were not new at all, and still full of dragons, as very few Christians realize.)
Of course, this has no connection with the utterly ridiculous dragonslaying Saint stories like George, where we can see they were complete farications, even to the point of knowing the author who invented it. |
I haven't looked up any information on this, but I thought it interesting nonetheless. If anyone would like to read the thread, here it is: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=123862&st=30&start=30
So, not everyone believes dragons to be evil in the Judeo-Christian "mythology." (I hate to use that word here, but I can't think of the word I meant atm - Sorry!)
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Hyraxylos
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This person had a theory that the Abrahamic god was WHAT??? Oh geez...  This looks pretty far out. I can't personally see dragons bending over for a deity either in regards to what to eat and what not to eat. Food is food, regardless of what said food's religious beliefs are. Some dragons might not have minded being deified themselves, but I can't imagine one actually serving a god of humans. Which is what Yahweh is by the way, so the "theory" mentioned at the beginning automatically flops. The believers say he has a human avatar, therefore he must have a human avatar. They have the final say in it because he's their god and it's the beliefs that give gods the shape they're believed to have.
But on the issue of draconian "morality", it's a pretty simple pattern. Some humans decide that a dragon is "good" if said dragon only harms their enemies. By contrast anything that preys upon humans will regardless be demonized by the group of humans targeted. There's very little real actual "good" or "evil" behind the whole dynamic; it's just labels attached to something that's either beneficial or detrimental to whomever does the labelling.
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Celtore
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lol I never said I believed it. Just that it was an interesting read. But then again, I think reading about what others think and believe is interesting.
Anyway, it wasn't the belief that the Abrahamic god was a dragon that I was focusing on. It was the angelic part. Honestly, I found something better than this once, that actually had a pretty good argument, but I lost it. If I ever find it again, I'll post it, though.
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