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Hyraxylos
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| I can only imagine how a human's mind may look, one-track and pretty bland most of the time isn't it dragonwriterX? |
Try to listen to yourself here and imagine all the humans who might read this post. You speak as though humans don't have creativity or that simply being the reincarnation of something makes someone higher than other beings, but it doesn't.
Let me clarify here, just for the record... ALL humans, otherkin or not, have souls (though I believe further that all organisms actually have souls). They all have varying personalities, most of them have potential for spiritual phenomena, and they happen to rule this planet. The innovations and miraculous scientific developments of humanity are what have made it possible for this forum to exist.
The flaws of us humans are of course numerous and we can all certainly list quite a few of them. But to describe the minds of humans overall as "one-track and pretty bland most of the time" and overlook the ones who made the internet, the refridgerator (sic?), sliced bread, and all the medical advances we've got now strikes me as rather one-track. 
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| If you focus on the single life form it is (If the creature is willing) to communicate with that creature, but there must be a real connection for it to even begin to work. I'm not saying I can go up to a random dog on the street and talk to it. Simply saying I have an understanding of what that animal is feeling. |
It's not too complex as some have said actually; a big factor is the setting and surroundings. The context of being barked at by a dog could determine either "ZOMG I'm so happy to see you, pay attention to me!" or "Get the @#$% away from my lawn!!" 
I don't think it could be used to determine whether someone is otherkin or not though.
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Jasriella
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| Posted: Tue 25 Nov 2008 8:33 Post subject: |
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| Hyraxylos wrote: |
| Try to listen to yourself here and imagine all the humans who might read this post. You speak as though humans don't have creativity or that simply being the reincarnation of something makes someone higher than other beings, but it doesn't. |
I seem to forget that a lot here  , I guess that I have given myself a false sense of security that everybody here is otherkin. I do apologize for this and will try to keep myself more restrained in the future.
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rX"]riterX"]Well you do have to train yourself to be able to do it. If you spend a lot of time meditating. At some point you can
detect the presence of other life forms. If you focus on the single life form it is (If the creature is willing) to communicate with that creature, but there must be a real connection for it to even begin to work. I'm not saying I can go up to a random dog on the street and talk to it. Simply saying I have an understanding of what that animal is feeling. |
I've got to be more diligent then with my meditating because I have only done it maybe once a week. But is it that simple as just focusing my mind and thoughts every night while meditating? The action itself can be rather difficult as I have found out but I have always had the misunderstanding that it was a lot more complex than this.
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Shiari
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Even those of us who are otherkin understand the fact that the brain, the mind, we are using currently is HUMAN. Do you have a bland and one track mind? No? Then neither are normal humans more likely.
Remember, no matter how strongly you believe this, there is a *good* chance it is your subconscious making it up, which means you might be a normal human who is also slightly insane.
So it might be a good time to sit back and realise that everything about you that you attribute to being because of a dragon might just be because you are *you*. |
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Rayadragon
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Location: Somewhere between reality and imagination
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| Posted: Tue 25 Nov 2008 9:33 Post subject: |
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| I can only imagine how a human's mind may look, one-track and pretty bland most of the time isn't it dragonwriterX? |
For a reversal, to me this comment sounds very one-track and bland because of the assumption that all non-otherkin must somehow be lesser than you. Others have pointed out that whatever you may have been, you are now human. If you can have such a multi-faceted mind, why not other humans?
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| I seem to forget that a lot here , I guess that I have given myself a false sense of security that everybody here is otherkin. I do apologize for this and will try to keep myself more restrained in the future |
Restraint isn't the issue. Rather, it's the underlying assumption that because you're otherkin you are somehow better than the non-otherkin. It's the same assumption that the vast majorities of religions make, in that they're the only ones "saved" because of the virtue of being a member of that religion.
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| So it might be a good time to sit back and realise that everything about you that you attribute to being because of a dragon might just be because you are *you*. |
Thank you Shiari.
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| I would love to one day resort to my true form but I have no knowledge of how to do so. I've been thinking a lot and judging by what you said on how dragons are still among us only in human form, that maybe one of my ancestors fell in love with a dragon and had a child. |
*grumbles very, very loudly before crawling off to her corner while resisting the urge to hijack this thread upon the mention of 2/3 of her favorite pet peeves*
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Jasriella
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Wow, talk about assault on my pride  . What you two said practically demoralize me but I'm doing my best to actually sit here and consider what you guys are saying rather than taking what you said and interpreting it as personall attacks and resorting to my usual manner of using poorly though out replies to satisfy my own ignorance.
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For a reversal, to me this comment sounds very one-track and bland because of the assumption that all non-otherkin must somehow be lesser than you. Others have pointed out that whatever you may have been, you are now human. If you can have such a multi-faceted mind, why not other humans?
Restraint isn't the issue. Rather, it's the underlying assumption that because you're otherkin you are somehow better than the non-otherkin. It's the same assumption that the vast majorities of religions make, in that they're the only ones "saved" because of the virtue of being a member of that religion.
*grumbles very, very loudly before crawling off to her corner while resisting the urge to hijack this thread upon the mention of 2/3 of her favorite pet peeves* |
1st part: By now I have realized that.
2nd part: I couldn't think of any other smart words to use other than restraint. I'm trying to use rich text rather than resorting to my usual of non-legible texting text. Perhaps I should've said something like "will try to keep a more open mind" or maybe "its time that I get my head out of the gutter".
And what exactly is that third part supposed to mean? I was only meaning what I said on that as a possibility.
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Even those of us who are otherkin understand the fact that the brain, the mind, we are using currently is HUMAN. Do you have a bland and one track mind? No? Then neither are normal humans more likely.
Remember, no matter how strongly you believe this, there is a *good* chance it is your subconscious making it up, which means you might be a normal human who is also slightly insane.
So it might be a good time to sit back and realise that everything about you that you attribute to being because of a dragon might just be because you are *you*. |
1st part: Again I have realized that by now.
2nd part: Slightly insane? Heck, I think I've always been insane .
(this one goes out to both of ya)Now really, being trapped in a human body does currently make me human. I hate to admit it but its hard to deny what I see in the mirror every day. The only true fact is that I "believe" that I am otherkin, and that belief is based off of falty dreams and funny feeling. But I have had this belief for the past 4 years and it has only gotten stronger for some odd reason as the time goes on, and it kind've blossomed since I've joined this forum. Each time you guys point out how I may just be a nut case and such I do question my identity, but for some reason there is a part of me that keeps jutting in and tells me (not literally, this is the best way I can describe it) that I am/was a dragon. I am still coming up with theories on what my past life was and on why I believe I am/was one, but these are all theories that have no scientific basis. Now I'm going to be straight forward here. Perhaps I may just be f****d up in the head and I am probably too headstrong and stubborn for my own good but I refuse to let go of my belief.
3rd part: read second part.
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Shiari
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| Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008 10:30 Post subject: |
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We never said to let go of your belief, but honest doubt is *good* for it and for you. No doubt leads to delusions. If you don't doubt. you'll accept automatically some rather absurd things about yourself, both as human and as dragon. Maybe you had a past life. Maybe you've never physically been a dragon but your soul was 'meant' to be one. Maybe "dragon" is how your Self views itself and it has nothing to do with souls or past lives.
Honest doubt will help keep raging imaginations and egos at bay a bit. I 100% accept and acknowledge readily the fact that there is every chance that otherkin do not actually exist as a phenomena other than mental association. This means I completely accept and readily acknowledge that I am likely just as human as the rest of the world. Any superiority is a normal human superiority, and any weakness is a normal human weakness.
In this frame of mind I have no stress over my belief, no desire to prove myself to anyone but myself, no desire for 'trueforms' or other things that will never happen. I am actually happy to live out this life, because the best thing of all is that I am here to be living it. |
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Jasriella
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| Posted: Thu 27 Nov 2008 15:05 Post subject: |
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| Shiari wrote: |
We never said to let go of your belief, but honest doubt is *good* for it and for you. No doubt leads to delusions. If you don't doubt. you'll accept automatically some rather absurd things about yourself, both as human and as dragon. Maybe you had a past life. Maybe you've never physically been a dragon but your soul was 'meant' to be one. Maybe "dragon" is how your Self views itself and it has nothing to do with souls or past lives.
Honest doubt will help keep raging imaginations and egos at bay a bit. I 100% accept and acknowledge readily the fact that there is every chance that otherkin do not actually exist as a phenomena other than mental association. This means I completely accept and readily acknowledge that I am likely just as human as the rest of the world. Any superiority is a normal human superiority, and any weakness is a normal human weakness.
In this frame of mind I have no stress over my belief, no desire to prove myself to anyone but myself, no desire for 'trueforms' or other things that will never happen. I am actually happy to live out this life, because the best thing of all is that I am here to be living it. |
I've definitely though about that and strongly consider that as a possibility.
Maybe one of the more disliked possibilities but I can't deny it.
Again not a possibility I like to consider but I can't deny it.
Until I can find a reason that I see fit, I will forever desire what I believe to be my true form. I am perfectly happy with living out this life. It would actually be a waste of what I have accomplished in this life to just permamently shapeshift into a dragon or be transported to a realm where dragons exist and then shapeshift. So I will live out this life to its fullest while I can and live with the hope that when I die that I will be able to be reborn as a dragon and live with a dragon family. In this sense I can live with the knowledge that I may have no connections to the dragon race at all but that I may get to be one if I don't screw up this life.
I have now realized that to live an honest and true life that one cannot live without doubt, wether it be in reality itself or in what the person next to you is saying. To be without all doubt will be lying to yourself and that could create a whole new problem all in itself.
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Rayadragon
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| Posted: Mon 01 Dec 2008 8:25 Post subject: |
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| 2nd part: I couldn't think of any other smart words to use other than restraint. I'm trying to use rich text rather than resorting to my usual of non-legible texting text. Perhaps I should've said something like "will try to keep a more open mind" or maybe "its time that I get my head out of the gutter". |
No problem. As Shiari mentioned later, it's human to categorize things and to fall in the trap of being "better" and "worse." The trick is to fight that tendency as much as you can.
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| And what exactly is that third part supposed to mean? I was only meaning what I said on that as a possibility |
I have three particular pet peeves among comments that forum member suggest as being feasible or probable, when they're really not.
1) Hey, let's clone a dragon! (The one not included in your original post)(physically not possible, variation = government is cloning one for a weapon of some sort)
2) One of these days, I'll revert to my true form (physically not possible. Besides, although you may not think of it as your true form, why would you be in it if you weren't suppost to be in it? If you're in that form, then shouldn't it be your true form?)
3) One of my ancestors must have been a dragon, which is why I'm a dragon (again, physically not possible)
Just to re-iterate the point, all three of these options are physically not possible (Not here anyway). I've commented several times on the past on these topics, and thought to spare the discussion hijack this time.
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