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Ragnarok Global Moderator


Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 1091 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA.
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Posted: Sun 25 May 2008 9:57 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| What I mean about the hybrid cars is that the motors that turn the wheels would become extremely hot |
The reason vehicles have cooling systems is to keep that from happening to the engine, so unless you've got something that says the car manufacturers are planning to completely remove the entire coolant system from every hydrogen vehicle they make, this is a complete non-issue.
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| and by my pictorial views there is no sort of cooling system other than the air conditioner for the passengers and driver. |
So...what do normal cars have? Windows, fan and AC. What would a HFC vehicle have? Windows, fan and AC. I don't see any difference.
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| That is what my main concerns is.... If those get hot enough they could accidentally catch fire. |
Your concern has, frankly, absolutely no basis in reality. _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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harrypottertew Dragonstar

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 105 Location: cant figure that out
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Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 8:10 Post subject: |
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well they have made cooling systems for combustions moters, not electric yet... so technically there is a point to make.
electric moters are good and all... but wont that slow down the jobs of repairing them like aoutomachanics? _________________ forever shall i be a dragon friend even though i have not met one. forever let the dragons live free |
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Samariyu Shining Dragonstar

Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 233
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Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 10:56 Post subject: |
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Last I checked, our oil was at $3.99 for the cheapest kind. The most expensive was around $4.25 . Dang, this is why I ride my bike to anyplace within 15 miles. _________________ Live simply, so that others may simply live.
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QueenOfTheShadows Administrator

Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 1609 Location: haunting Bellingham WA
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Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 13:34 Post subject: |
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Oh my god harrypottertew how old is your information? XD
Solar: efficiency of solar is now greater than it ever was and is currently becoming more and more cost effective to use. I live about a mile or so from Western Washington University Uho's automotive department is well known by uto makers, they make solar cars forthe X car commissions, (look up the viking X-car please XD) now Ragnarok is right a solar panel replacement on a car might cost 30 dollars, if you do it your self, the technician you may have to hire to do it adds to the cost though. Currently solar and electronic technology has gotten to the point where all you really neeed to make a low efficiency solar panel (by todays standard) is an ink jet printer, a piece of paper and the right type of ink. That admittedly was developing technology at least a year ago.
Any way unless you are kicking up that much gravel and other road debris, or are prone to hitting moving and or stationary targets in your car... you likely won't have to worry about any thing short of some body keying it, as solar cells typically come with a protective covering.
Electric: this has come a long way there is currently on the market an all electric sports car that can charge completely in approximately 4 hours, and go from zero to 60 in under 3,5 seconds. Electric cars were actually coming out in the mid to late 90's when I was in elementary school, so were hybrids, granted such things were often ultra high end "options" but still. Motors get hot this is true but ditching a coolant system is stupidity. heat is throughly destructive in both electronic and mechanical applications. but as long as the system is designed and used within it's specifications you shouldn't have a problem. Only foreseeable issue is simple lack of knowledge of how to repair and maintain such systems among your average joe mechanic... oth that electric car I mentioned here's a link the the manufacturers site. this is the car I dearly want the tesla all electric car
Hydrogen fuel cell: major problem Lack of fueling stations the stretch of highway from the Mexican border to Alaska has only 2 refueling stations one, I believe is in California, The other is in Vancouver B.C. all in all If I recall correctly there are at absolute most no more than 6 hydrogen refuel stations on the north American continent, and having to take at the very least a day trip, just to refuel is... highly impractical, and more than a little ridicules.
for those of us in the I-5 and I believe the trans Canadian highway corridors there is some good news there are plans to build many more hydrogen refuel stations along each corridor.... over the next 20 years.
The other thing most people don't know the water that drips from the tail pipe into 100% potable either, it's so pure that it is actually deionized, and drinking deionized water is not exactly smart.
Hybrid electric, and hybrid fuel cars. They still use oil, and since our American oil companies don't seem to want to sell out the money from their record profits, for building newer, cleaner running, more efficient refineries and drilling stations with new and improved tech, that reduces environmental impact, we are still going to be relying on foreign oil. Despite the increase in leases and all other legal ok's they have received to drill more wells, and make new refineries.
*laughs* Bellingham, actually has some of the highest gas prices in the country, despite there being two fairly close by refineries, one in cherry point and one in Anacortis, and we still have to pay a minimum of between 4- 4.60 a gallon for regular. For a while over the past year or two it was actually costed less to buy a tank of gas in Hawaii than it was here...
That is until the Washington state government made official inquiries and investigations of the oil companies over the matter, as there is no logical reason for our prices to be habitually higher than every where else in the country... They apparently found the root of the problem is proximity to Vancouver BC. So yeah, official word from said inquiry on the high gas prices here in the northwest corner is , and I s*** the not, Blame Canada. (or more aptly Vancouver) _________________ say hello! at zahz's keep;P |
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Hyraxylos Shining Dragonstar
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 805 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Thu 29 May 2008 8:52 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| electric moters are good and all... but wont that slow down the jobs of repairing them like aoutomachanics? |
Let's see, global warming or making someone else's job a little easier... boy that's a tough one. If that's true then I say hard luck for the mechanics but I'd rather go without the excess heat and Ultraviolet-C radiation, thank you very much. _________________ The statement below this one is false.
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harrypottertew Dragonstar

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 105 Location: cant figure that out
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Posted: Wed 04 Jun 2008 6:30 Post subject: |
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I'd like to thank everyone with this insight of the future car, I just suppose that there will be kinks of some kind in every new or old invention. It would be very nice to have a car that runs of hydrogen but that is a while away. Ah well.... the gov. is always hiding some sort of new technology for the profit of the old technology that exists today. Sooner or later we will be able to sustain our selves and the fuel that we should be using to transport our selves.
But one question still exists, will the large vehicles ~bulldozers, cranes, back hoes~ will the electric motors still be able to run off hydrogen? I know that the hydrolics are sometimes used in electric fork lifts and such, but those are not heavy equipment though... _________________ forever shall i be a dragon friend even though i have not met one. forever let the dragons live free |
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Ragnarok Global Moderator


Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 1091 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA.
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Posted: Wed 04 Jun 2008 11:05 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| it would be very nice to have a car that runs of hydrogen but that is a while away. |
They're demo projects, and nowhere near mass-production yet, but they already exist.
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| the gov. is always hiding some sort of new technology for the profit of the old technology that exists today. |
Um...no.
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| but one question still exists, will the large veichels ~bulldosers, cranes, back hoes~ will the electric moters still be able to run off hydrogen? |
I don't see why not. _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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Hyraxylos Shining Dragonstar
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 805 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Thu 05 Jun 2008 8:55 Post subject: |
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[quote="Ragnarok"]They're demo projects, and nowhere near mass-production yet, but they already exist.
Dang it. I WANTED to write a paper on this subject (instead of legalizing drugs, a much easier subject to talk about) but I didn't know these projects were already in place. Oh well...
I can't believe it either without evidence, but this DOES sound like something the American government would do. I wonder how many officials have huge investments in oil companies. And I wonder just what might happen to the value of those if an alternate fuel were to become mainstream too quickly. "Mere" speculation of course.
I forgot to ask earlier. Would these cars need better cooling systems than what they've got? I'm not asking out of skepticism in this case; I just don't know that much about cars and I'm too, um, distracted (/preoccupied/lazy) to look more into it. Would combusting hydrogen into water generate a greater amount of heat? _________________ The statement below this one is false.
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