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Ragnarok Global Moderator


Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 1091 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA.
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Posted: Fri 03 Oct 2008 10:07 Post subject: |
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Mythbusters actually tested that one. The result was complete failure on the part of that machine.
So no, don't even think about it. _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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harrypottertew Dragonstar

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 105 Location: cant figure that out
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Posted: Tue 07 Oct 2008 13:06 Post subject: |
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i actually talked to the person who wrote the document and he brought the car over.. the only modifications he had done was the vaporstate carb. from a propane forklift, stainless steel lifters and valves and the exaust system. that is it... it ran perfect... and he had the reaction tank in his trunk... a battery and salt water and alot of electrodes. it ran right in front of me.. they only problem is that he cant leave it sitting for very long like for more than a month or else everything will start to rust.
the altinator runs the reaction tank and the spark plugs.. disconnect the battery from the engin and it still runs. no heavy modifactions were done and it only costed him about 3 thousand dollars for the stainless steel muffler, valves, lifters, and the carborator. _________________ forever shall i be a dragon friend even though i have not met one. forever let the dragons live free |
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Ragnarok Global Moderator


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Posted: Tue 07 Oct 2008 18:43 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| i actually talked to the person who wrote the document |
What document? _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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harrypottertew Dragonstar

Joined: 05 Jun 2007 Posts: 105 Location: cant figure that out
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Posted: Wed 22 Oct 2008 6:18 Post subject: |
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ok first off i need to warn ya about some verbal content in this document.. i only have the url address so yeah.. you can contact him but it's gonna be kinda hard to do considering he's on the road alot.
http://www.inlex.org/water/water.html
but seriously... i have seen his car run off hydrogen with only few modifications... it ran perfect for 5 hours at 50 mph on a dyno machine.
i guess the gov. doesn't want ya to know what you can do for your well being along with the enviorment. _________________ forever shall i be a dragon friend even though i have not met one. forever let the dragons live free |
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Ragnarok Global Moderator


Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 1091 Location: Tucson, AZ, USA.
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Posted: Wed 22 Oct 2008 13:12 Post subject: |
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Why is that hosted on an art site?
Anyway, there's one problem with the whole idea there. The chemistry doesn't seem to work.
(2)H20+Energy-->(2)H2+O2 (You need to expend energy to split the water molecules)
(2)H2+O2+ Energy-->(2)H2O (Even when mixed, hydrogen and oxygen wouldn't spontaneously combust. It would require a spark to initiate the explosion)
The energy spent to split the hydrogen will be more than the amount you'd get back by combusting the hydrogen, so lines like:
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| A hydrogen generator produces an energy potential in excess of 100 percent efficiency!!! |
Are completely nonsensical.
Then, of course, are issues with production. Unless you can produce large quantities of hydrogen on the fly or had a large storage capacity, you'd end up with none to burn.
In short, I'd want to take a look at it before I go around believing any of its claims.
And finally, this little gem:
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| i guess the gov. doesn't want ya to know what you can do for your well being along with the environment. |
If it were in the least bit feasible or profitable, the auto makers would have done it years ago. That's why hybrids, electrics, and in the near future, fuel-cell vehicles will be available. Put simply, there is no oil conspiracy. It's just been the best fuel source available until prices started going up recently. _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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Hyraxylos Shining Dragonstar
Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 805 Location: Atlanta, GA
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Posted: Fri 24 Oct 2008 12:19 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| i guess the gov. doesn't want ya to know what you can do for your well being along with the enviorment. |
Depends on whether there's any money in it. The government wouldn't want to be anti-environmental just for the heck of it; you've gotta make money to have a motive to pursue something. The reason we've been so lax in developing alternative fuels is because gas prices keep going back down. I wish we'd quit throwing all that work aside everytime the Saudis decide once again to try and lure us back onto their oil; it's pretty ridiculous to keep leaping to the conclusion of "ZOMG gas prices are low again and THIS time they'll remain low FOREVAR!!1!" >_< _________________ The statement below this one is false.
The statement above this one is true.
This statement is false. |
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harrypottertew Dragonstar

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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 7:23 Post subject: |
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I found another site that tells you that you can make hydrogen work in a combustible engine and how to make hydrogen when you want it in demand without using electrolysis. The sites are listed below..
http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/hydrogengeneration.html
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070515WoodallHydrogen.html
The gov. gets about 10% of gas surplus every month to month so they will be losing a lot of money because of hydrogen fuel cars in fuel cell cars and combustible cars we use right now. Hydrogen is able to run in your car at a 50/50 mix of gas and hydrogen, or run it completely off of hydrogen purely but you will have to make modifications to the engine and exhaust system due to heat and moisture water made in the exhaust, so you will have to make the engine aluminum or stainless steel.
Aside from the expense the fuel costs will repay it's self in due time because you can quite literally make it in your back yard with solar panels, wires, some water and a bucket and a separator and bam... you got instant hydrogen generator in your car or you put it in your back yard.
Start using the Shift key. It's not going to bite you.
-Ragnarok _________________ forever shall i be a dragon friend even though i have not met one. forever let the dragons live free |
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Ragnarok Global Moderator


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Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 11:54 Post subject: |
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| harrypottertew wrote: |
| I found another site that tells you that you can make hydrogen work in a combustible engine and how to make hydrogen when you want it in demand without using electrolysis. The sites are listed below.. |
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| http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/hydrogengeneration.html |
Which claims that...
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| H2 gas admixtures saves 50% of your fuel costs and works great on any engine without expensive carburetor or injector modifications. |
The closest I've been able to find elsewhere is this, but that's talking about engines designed to run off of it, and doesn't claim nearly that much improvement.
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| http://news.uns.purdue.edu/x/2007a/070515WoodallHydrogen.html |
Doesn't actually say how much they can produce, or how often the pellets would need to be replaced, so while it looks promising, I'll hold off on saying that it would produce enough to power a car. _________________ To win against an opponent stronger than yourself, you must not be weaker than that opponent. - Takamachi Nanoha |
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