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Shiari
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Oct 2008 11:41    Post subject: Otherkin and desire. Reply with quote

This is a question I have always asked myself, and likely will always ask myself... and it's prefaced a bit with reference. (all forms of "you" and "we" in this post are generic, not specific}


Pretty much every person in existence, particularly teenagers it seems, has desired to be "special" or be "unique". We want magic in our lives, want things to be amasing. We want the newest and hottest gadgets. People join fad religions and spiritualities. It's always "new new new" and "special special special".
Particularly during the teenage years your personality is settling into how you will be as an adult. You're coming to consciously realise who you are, which in turn makes you hyper aware that you are an individual. This leads to feeling "different" from everyone... because you ARE different. You are YOU. But most teens don't seem to truly realise that. They rebel, they seek.

Some change religions. Some join subcultures. And some find otherkin.

So, with all that in mind...

Do you *desire* to be otherkin?
Does it give you any sense of personal worth?
Does it make you feel "special"?

If you truly were not otherkin, how would it make you feel?

Please, ask yourself these and answer yourself truthfully. It's really easy for the subconscious to make things up. This is coming from the shinoar who once thought she was a large, scaled, quardrupedal, fire breathing magic wielding beastie. It's amasing what you can learn when remove desire from truth.

If you do not want to post your answers here, fine. If you do post however, I ask that you be as truthful with us as you should be with yourself. If you don't feel comfortable answering these questions, then don't.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Oct 2008 11:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm more then happy to be the first one to respond to this question! Very Happy

No, I I'm not looking for something spectacular, being a dragon is something that is part of me. When I first awoke, I was excited, I finally found out who I truly was, I was happy, maybe a little bit over enthusiastic, but at the same time I was confused. After the initial realization, I didn't know what to do, what it all meant. Sure I found a very important part of myself, but it brought more questions. I was curious, I wanted to know everything.

So I did what I could do best, I searched the net, and I never stopped searching for answers. After a while, I stumbled upon a forum that sadly no longer exists now, and I joined after waiting for three months.

I was very shy, and I was afraid to ask questions, worried that I might be shot down for doing so.
There were a lot of times where I was skeptical about all of it, I doubted, I thought I was crazy. I didn't know what I truly was, my color, my name, all of it.

So I thought that I was making it all up, to get the attention in life I needed. But when I rejected it, it just nagged at me, I couldn't shake it, and my belief returned stronger then ever.

Now I know that it's just who I am. It may sound boring, but it's definitely not. It's not easy either sometimes. I'm still bothered with the fact that I still don't know my name, heck, I don't even know my color for certain.

So no, I may not know everything, in fact, I honestly admit that I don't know nearly as much as I would like to know, but what I do know is that it's a part of me. I can't change it, even if I wanted to.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Oct 2008 19:47    Post subject: Re: Otherkin and desire. Reply with quote

Well, I guess I'm up next.
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Do you *desire* to be otherkin?

It's a rather difficult question to answer, since "desire" incorporates so many different feelings, but I'd have to say that in general, no, I do not. During my awakening process, I did, like many others, go through the phase where my self-image was considerably more grandiose than what it is now (the "off-key mod" might remember the me from those days Wink), but as I've gotten older and left that particular turbulent phase, it's settled down into something much more mundane.

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Does it give you any sense of personal worth?

No more so than any other part of me. Being otherkin is no more significant to me than, say, my hair or eye color. It's just a part of who I am, but does not, in and of itself, define who I am. Of course it provides some sense of personal worth, but doesn't everything? It's possible to be proud of anything that you can do, or anything that is part of you, and this is no different.

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Does it make you feel "special"?

Somewhat like the above question, no more than anything else that I can do. It's certainly a unique trait, but everyone, even so-called "normal" humans have their fair share of such things. Is it wrong to feel special regarding the unique aspects of one's character? I don't think so.

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If you truly were not otherkin, how would it make you feel?

Part of having any sort of faith in something that can never be proved, such as reincarnation, remembering past lives, or anything along those lines has to be accompanied by the knowledge that it's possible that everything that you "know" is nothing more than an invention on your part. If I woke up one day, and somehow had full knowledge that I had invented everything, I'd probably be a little disappointed but it would not make much a difference in my life.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Oct 2008 20:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah.... the old days of traumatising the new ones with my singing. *grins* Sadly, I don't remember too many individuals from those days. My memory is, in general, atrocious.


I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Oct 2008 11:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I felt like it I'd be a bit more outright about my spirituality outside otherkin forums. I've actually never really fit in with anybody from close to the start of life because I was far more hyperactive than other kids my age, and don't try to imagine that because you probably can't. In kindergarten I freaked out the whole class by declaring that math was "easy" and artsy stuff was "boring" (and frustrating, but I didn't know that word when I was 5). From there I'd pretty much decided that I was already set in my path for standing out so after my earlier years in elementary school I stopped trying and started bragging about being weird, which led to mixed reactions from classmates and teachers.

Master woke when I was about ten years old or so, and although he didn't speak to me directly as he does now, he still kinda "urged" me, which led to my view of people overall growing darker over time until I became fully depressed. When he finally did reveal himself outright, my reaction to the notion of otherkin was roughly opposite of what he'd thought. He'd HOPED I'd embrace draconity due to being introverted, but things didn't work out that way. At least it's my perception that it didn't happen that way. I finally believed because I got personal objective proof handed to me (albeit proof that can't be shown to anyone else). Since there're lots of otherkin anyway, deciding to be otherkin would be like... iono... Declaring yourself an individual and showing it by leaving the group you're in to join some other group. Doesn't make sense does it? Even being a self-doubting otherkin doesn't accomplish this result either because there are plenty of those around as well.

For me I want to be on the same wavelength as other people, but I don't want too many similarities. This sounds pretty much the same that I suspect most people feel anyway, but I joined an otherkin forum two years ago because I wanted to talk about my own feelings with somebody who might have similar experiences, not because I wanted to "belong". As for being proud of being different, that started up long before my Awakening.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Nov 2008 13:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you *desire* to be otherkin?
Very much so, I am utterly disgusted by the human race and wish that I could just shapeshift into a dragon, where I belong, and fly away to my kin.

Does it give you any sense of personal worth?
It makes me feel like I don't belong, which I believe I don't. I guess I feel that I have more worth than others because the human race resembles ants in a sense, they are all scurrying about trying to make their fruitless little mark upon the world. And all the dragon race ever did was live with nature, the way life was intended to be.

Does it make you feel "special"?
Define "special". Because this question could also be answered with the above statement. If you mean special as in unique and great, than yes. I get to live with the knowledge that I am truly something better than what my current body shows.

If you were not truly otherkin, how would you feel?
Demoralized, I have searched for the past 4 years to find an explaination to my dreams and this psychic I went to and after putting all the pieces together and finally coming to this conclusion, it would seem like I lose a portion of myself that I will forever be hollow.
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PostPosted: Thu 20 Nov 2008 17:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to point out that you just called me, as I am currently human, my family, my friends, and the man I love disgusting and pointless.

You need to learn to face reality and see the worth in individuals rather than grouping everyone here as 'inferior' just to make yourself feel better.
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PostPosted: Fri 21 Nov 2008 8:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiari wrote:
I would like to point out that you just called me, as I am currently human, my family, my friends, and the man I love disgusting and pointless.

You need to learn to face reality and see the worth in individuals rather than grouping everyone here as 'inferior' just to make yourself feel better.


I never said that the human race was disgusting and pointless, I said that I am "disgusted" with the human race, and what I was getting at with the ants theory was when you look at the whole, the resemblance is striking.

Here is what somebody posted on another forum
dragonrider-from another forum wrote:
The human race can be related to a colony of fire ants. When a new object or being comes within the colony's range of sight/hearing/smell a few brave ants will go out and investigate, and if just one of them has the slightest inkling that the new intrusion of their space could be threatening in any way shape or form, the entire colony will unleash untold of fury to destroy it. This is what we did to the dragon race. A race that was viewed as the oldest, wisest, and most beautiful beings our planet has ever seen. When we "investigated" them, we barged into their homes so to speak, and wrecked havoc upon their lands. The dragon race was kind and forgiving, but what the humans did to their homes was unspeakable, and they did what any parent would do to their children when they behaved badly, they punished the human race for its insolence. Then we did what the ants would do, our entire race unloaded upon the dragon race and exterminated them, one by one, until the only remains were stories and legends. So hated were the dragons for what they did that its was a game, a challenge, to kill them and those who did were revered for their "great accomplishment".


As a whole I am disappointed in the human race, but yes you are right, it is also important to look at the individual.
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