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carmillaB
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 Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 15:08 Post subject: What "change" is he talking about? |
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I'm still perplexed as to what "change" Obama has been talking about. Now that Democrats have dominated the U.S. government, whatever Obama wants, Obama is (most likely) going to get, so I would like to know what to expect.
I'm not saying I'm against him, but I'm not for him either; especially the mysterious change he wants. He's going to get it, but what the heck is it? And what does he mean by "redistribution of wealth?" I thought the U.S. was a democracy where everyone earned their own. Am I wrong? Could someone please explain? I know the economy is bad, and he probably means he's going to try and change the direction the economy is heading in, but he seems so sure his way is going to work, and I want to know what he plans to do and how he plans to do it. I'm kind of looking for a "Dummies Guide to Obama's Proposals of Change."
Not to be rude, but I get enough opinion from my civics teacher. Facts with reliable sources would be greatly appreciated.
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| Posted: Wed 05 Nov 2008 16:21 Post subject: Re: What "change" is he talking about? |
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| I'm still perplexed as to what "change" Obama has been talking about. Now that Democrats have dominated the U.S. government, whatever Obama wants, Obama is (most likely) going to get, so I would like to know what to expect. |
Put simply, he's saying that he's not going to be continuing Bush politics or policies. Iraq war ending in the relatively near future, doing something with Guantanamo, not just ignoring countries that don't like us, etc.
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| And what does he mean by "redistribution of wealth?" I thought the U.S. was a democracy where everyone earned their own. Am I wrong? Could someone please explain? |
It means what it says. Put simply, anything the US government does that involves money is redistributing wealth somewhere. For example, taxes take money mostly from the middle and upper class; and welfare, medicaid, food stamps and similar social programs use some of that money to provide assistance to low income people.
It's not just for low income individuals either, businesses and industries get subsidies, research institutions get lots of funding, military, police, fire, etc get tons of funds as well... it's all redistributing wealth.
One of the things that Obama wants to do is lower the tax burden on low-middle income families making under $250,000 a year, and increase the safety net for the low-income families. Yes, for the most part, everyone earns their own, but those who can't get some help.
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| I know the economy is bad, and he probably means he's going to try and change the direction the economy is heading in, but he seems so sure his way is going to work, and I want to know what he plans to do and how he plans to do it. |
The economy is more tricky. It seems that he'll be trying more for a bottom-up strategy (improve the economy by improving conditions for the people at the bottom) than the Bush administration, which had a trickle-down strategy (cut taxes at the top, and the extra revenue will flow downward).
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Hyraxylos
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| Posted: Fri 07 Nov 2008 21:29 Post subject: |
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| carmillaB wrote: |
| I'm still perplexed as to what "change" Obama has been talking about. |
Could be any number of things, like America's rather tarnished image in the view of the rest of the world, what with rushing into a huge unnecessary war while simultaneously cutting taxes for the wealthiest 1% of our population and flipping off our European allies for telling us beforehand that it was a bad idea. But I've never really bought into the constant throwing around of that word, or of any word hyped up by politicians overall. I think it's just a sound byte used by the Democrats and I wish people would quit lighting their eyes up at that word whenever Obama says it. Actually I wish he'd stop using it now the election's over.
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| Now that Democrats have dominated the U.S. government, |
No, just the President and Vice President.
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| whatever Obama wants, Obama is (most likely) going to get, so I would like to know what to expect. |
I'm not sure of that either.  I just thought he was the better choice. All I can really do is hope he comes through.
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| And what does he mean by "redistribution of wealth?" |
Barack Obama has NEVER said those words at any point in time. I suspect that's just a sound byte produced by the Republican Party in an attempt to label him as something.
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| I thought the U.S. was a democracy where everyone earned their own. Am I wrong? Could someone please explain? I know the economy is bad, and he probably means he's going to try and change the direction the economy is heading in, but he seems so sure his way is going to work, and I want to know what he plans to do and how he plans to do it. I'm kind of looking for a "Dummies Guide to Obama's Proposals of Change." |
If rich people disapprove and don't want to help bail out the government's massive debt, then they should vote against Obama in 2012. The United States isn't really a democracy in the REAL definition that Greek guy meant for it (forgot his name  ) since mostly all we can do is pick the lesser of two evils, but what we can do is vote for somebody. :P
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| Not to be rude, but I get enough opinion from my civics teacher. Facts with reliable sources would be greatly appreciated. |
Unfortunately I don't have any factual answers to these questions; they're based on observations I've made from watching presidential debates and upon speculation from my own perspective. Since my viewpoint is obviously biased and I don't HAVE any citations other than the presidential debates and my own head, feel free to ignore me... ^_^;
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carmillaB
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Nah, I'm not going to ignore you guys. I'm still confused, but not as much. Thanks. You two helped alot.  |
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A problem I see is that Capitalism and democracy at times make uneasy bed fellows. The rich don't want to give up their money, nor pay their employees enough to truly live on if they work only a single job, and expenses keep getting more expensive.
Basically the way things are, we're redeveloping the nobility and peasantry classes. If it was made to be fully everyone earning their own way, well then we'd need to get rid of public schools, and remove funding for low cost health clinics. If you can't afford to educate yourself, you don't deserve to be educated. If you can't afford health care, you don't deserve to be healthy.
But truthfully, the only thing that I really care about right now is that Palin has a 0% chance of becoming president. A woman who wants to remove my rights and thinks that going to war with russia would be okay? I'd move. |
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Now that Democrats have dominated the U.S. government,
No, just the President and Vice President. |
Nope the democrats have majority over the senate.
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Now that Democrats have dominated the U.S. government,
No, just the President and Vice President. |
Nope the democrats have majority over the senate. |
And House.
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