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Shiari
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jan 2010 9:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I define a 'Christian' as an individual who believes in the sole authority (maybe other "gods" but they're not to be followed or called upon because it makes God ANGRY) of the Abrahamaic God and believes that said god impregnated a virgin with his child and said child is the individual known as Jesus Christ. Further, it includes the belief that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later.


That right there is pretty much the very core dogma. If you simply believe in Jesus' teachings, but not his divine origin or ressurection, you're not a Christian. Make up a different name for it.

I'm not christian. I don't believe Jesus was divine in nature. I don't believe God is the only deity that should be followed. I don't believe Jesus was turned into a zombie. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: Sun 10 Jan 2010 13:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no evidence that Jesus even existed, let alone was divine in nature. Every account we have of him was written at least seventy or so years after the fact, without any written history prior. Let's see... how about we take someone who's never read a book on WWII that's only heard what he/she's heard, and get them to write a book about Adolf Hitler's life without allowing him/her to consult any written sources or ask anyone that's consulted written sources? That's about as accurate as every single account of Jesus's life is, I think. Besides, there are historians from the same area who were recording history as it happened at the exact same time. Not one of them wrote a peep about Jesus. That'd be like knowing what was happening in the world between 1935 and 1945 outside of the war, thanks to historians, but having no contemporaneous accounts of the war at all. All accounts are just hearsay.

Or perhaps you're supposed to write a report on George Washington. Let's say this is for college, so ordinary sources won't do. You read and absorb all the information the textbooks have to offer, and then you want to get to the nitty gritty and find out what people who knew him said, read some of his letters that have now been published, et cetera. But they aren't there. You dig and dig, but all you can find are second-hand stories. People writing in their diaries way back then haven't even HEARD of George Washington, and if they mention him it's only in passing. What do you conclude? George Washington never existed, he's just a piece of folklore that everyone holds close to their hearts. Thankfully, this scenario is false and as far as I'm aware good old George really did exist. But it applies perfectly to Jesus. In fact, the situation just described for George is much more generous than for Jesus. And yet, while we would conclude George is false, Jesus under worse circumstances who has also performed incredible, astounding miracles--which will need incredible, astounding evidence to back them up--is believed by billions around the world.

Something wrong here?
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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar 2010 18:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the largest court of followers of dragons that I have found thus far! Everyone sharing their love of dragons, dragonlore, art, writings, stories,jokes, dreams.

I would really hate it if religion entered into it. Religion is nothing more than a set of rules bestowed upon a person who deems themself a leader and enforcer of said rules. Through out mans' history all sorts of religions have surfaced. All with the same ideal in mind. Just one! To govern the thoughts and actions of all mankind.

To me, dragons are benevolent creatures. Free to roam where they will. Because they can. Wherever they roam they observe not disturb.


I travel a lot. And everywhere I go I keep an eye and ears out for dragons. From the formation of clouds, to stickers on the backs of cars, to t-shirts. I listen for sharing of stories of dragons. Or the whispers of dragon lore.

And I have run across all sorts of dragons. All of them just as different as their followers. I have sat and shared many conversations and rituals based on the belief of dragons. I have run across a group who get together to pray everyday. They pray that the dragons will one day return. They pray not to the dragons, but, to the universe. Hoping that the dragons may one day hear and return. I send up a prayer every now and then too! In this court they also greet each other with the "dragons kiss". Which I found profoundly intimate and comforting. Just as I do the dragon itself.

Let us not set up boundaries on a creature that none of us fully understand. But let us all share and revell in a common interest. Let us comfort and share stories and dreams. Let us gather to exercise our imagination and social graces.

I think that is why Syrobe first gathered this court. To bring us all together to share. Not to leave us alone in the feeling of isolation and fear of repression.


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Mar 2010 19:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiari wrote:
I define a 'Christian' as an individual who believes in the sole authority (maybe other "gods" but they're not to be followed or called upon because it makes God ANGRY) of the Abrahamaic God and believes that said god impregnated a virgin with his child and said child is the individual known as Jesus Christ. Further, it includes the belief that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later.


That right there is pretty much the very core dogma. If you simply believe in Jesus' teachings, but not his divine origin or ressurection, you're not a Christian. Make up a different name for it.

I'm not christian. I don't believe Jesus was divine in nature. I don't believe God is the only deity that should be followed. I don't believe Jesus was turned into a zombie. *shrugs*


Oh God, someone who knows little of the Christian faith. First, what religion do you believe in? Paganism? Buddhism? Hinduism? Or are you just afraid that there actually might be an afterlife, and there might be judgement, so you instead call yourself an Atheist? Well, if you believe in any religion that has a 'God' and 'Messiah', tell me, in any of those religions throughout the world, did any of the Messiahs, other than Jesus Christ, declare himself as the Son of God? No, they did not. You know why? Because they were scared to die. Jesus was not, and he knew it was true. However, this is not the place for this conversation. So, I am done.
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PostPosted: Wed 31 Mar 2010 8:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find that this thread had gotten extremely off topic for a bit there and Kimodragon made a valiant effort, and legitament point when attempting to bring it back on track.

During the time that I made this thread I was looking for a dragon based religion. Not necessarily a structured religion on the bounds of a bible and set of rules and such, but mainly something to call myself by. Now I respect all religions as a possibility, but no I do not believe in one sole religion and instead take a piece from every religion and put it together to form what I think may be some truth behind it.

Basically how you put it Kimo, is how I've kept my religion. My religion otherkin, and my god is fate. To me though Fate does not govern my life, I have control of my life, but Fate does lay down a path for me and it's up to me to take the right path. When I deviate from that path sometimes things get rough, but when I get back on that path then things are ok and moving along. Whatever plan fate has for me, I know it's for the better and I'm going to keep on moving on.
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PostPosted: Thu 24 Mar 2011 15:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don´t know about a religion, bot I once wrote a dragon myth. It is not for children (myths always deal with violence and sexuality as with any other part of life), but still...if I found it and translated it to English, would anyone be interested in developing it?
I mean...religion is not something that can be created overnight. It needs time to grow and something to grow from...and that is where mythology is important. If we could develop a myth to mythology (I would do my best, but this is far beyond the abilities of a single dragon), we could then develop a religion based on it, not uprooted. Our own dragon religion...that sounds interesting to me, and quite fun too.
However, it means quite a huge pile of work. So...anyone interested?
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PostPosted: Sun 27 Mar 2011 16:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to have a try on this.
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PostPosted: Fri 28 Oct 2011 23:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would now be a bad time to mention yalortism?
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