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Shiari
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They are indeed.
It is physically impossible for a creature weighing more than 250lbs or so to fly under it's own flapping power on this planet. This means dragons, as *adults* would be... the size of a large german shepherd... or about the size that dragons are often shown.
Dragons came about partly from pterosaurs (there be your wyverns), partly from cave lion remains (hence why so many dragons have a cat-like build), and partly from crocodiles.
The church did not kill them except for metaphorically... and the odd crocodile or two. |
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pommie
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I didn't say that they can't kill the adults, just that they glorified the killing of the young quite a bit.
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Shiari
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except that these "young" are the same size as maximum allowable self-powered flight... or the size of a decent sized crocodile, which again I say they often very strongly resemble.
Europe turned the rhino into a unicorn. It could certainly turn a large and fierce reptile into a dragon.
So, that said, where are the pictures of them killing young dragons? I only see the large-dog-or-(biologically impossible)bigger. I don't think I've seen images of the slaughter of puppy-sized dragons.
And... Dragons are wonderfully alegorical creatures, combining several things that terrify humans. Flying things at night + large cats + large reptiles. Add in crocodiles, bats + pterosaur skeletons + cave lion fossils and you have an easy amalgamation that resembles a dragon.
The human imagination is capable of combining things quite well. If I could randomly come up with and draw a combination of betta fish and pomeranian, humanity could come up with 'dragon'.
So, your claims of slaughter by the church are going to need some serious backing up before they will be taken seriously. I don't intend to be mean about this, but you need to be sure you're not letting imagination, fairy tales, and your own love for dragons cloud your judgement. |
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Namhias
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| I'd like to point out that in the middle ages, paintings were often very exaggerated. Also, the proportions were way off. The artist always (or most often) portrayed what was most important, or of higher class, bigger than the rest. |
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dfangd
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Saying that you hate knights for killing dragons is like saying you hate the navy for slaughtering mermaids... sorry, bad analogy, but I honestly couldn't think of anything else. Knights were not mindless men that saved damsels from towers or slaughtered hydras... Knighthood roots back to feudalism and mounted combat. They were not their own masters, and therefore never went galavanting about hunting completely imaginary creatures. In most paintings, the dragon represents the great obstacle and test of worth, not a literal being. This roots back to my belief that dragons do NOT physically exist. Also, knights are characterized by their mounts, and, being an avid equestrian myself, I KNOW that a horse would not get anywhere near a creature that had talons, fangs, or fiery breath.
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dragia
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i don't hate them i hate how they lie about doing it and how there glorafied for it when the dragon was asleep
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Shiari
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| O_o but how do you know the "dragon" was asleep? Knights wear armor. You can't sneak in full or half-plate, or even chainmail. |
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DarkDragon
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| Saying that you hate knights for killing dragons is like saying you hate the navy for slaughtering mermaids... sorry, bad analogy, but I honestly couldn't think of anything else. Knights were not mindless men that saved damsels from towers or slaughtered hydras... Knighthood roots back to feudalism and mounted combat. They were not their own masters, and therefore never went galavanting about hunting completely imaginary creatures. In most paintings, the dragon represents the great obstacle and test of worth, not a literal being. This roots back to my belief that dragons do NOT physically exist. Also, knights are characterized by their mounts, and, being an avid equestrian myself, I KNOW that a horse would not get anywhere near a creature that had talons, fangs, or fiery breath. |
Thank you for coming to the defense of my brethren. Yes, the villanous Darkdragon is in the stages of becoming a Knight of the Church. We have loyalty to our lords, and rarely go against such things. Once sworn, our oath is binding to us, until we are released from it. As such, we do not swear such things lightly.
And yes, the dragon is there as a depiction of a great challange, such as Knights and Dames were expected to be capable of meeting. I doubt many knights would just move and try to slay a dragon for the sake of being able to say they killed it. Too much effort for such a boasting claim. Better to forge a bond or pact with it, as there was not only greater honor, but increased prestige. (You also would have had a live dragon backing up your words. It would be worth it.)
And she's right, even the most stalwart warhorse will balk at facing such a thing. If a dragon was slain, it was on foot.
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| Knights wear armor. You can't sneak in full or half-plate, or even chainmail. |
I would beg to differ. It might be really hard, but with the right training and diliegence, it can be done. I just hope you don't have to get anywhere fast... Of course, sneaking was hardly a trait attributed to the time, since you would come across the battlefield in a thunder of hooves and screaming soldiers. However, it had it's place, and when it was done, it was to great effect.
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