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Dragonofthefourwinds
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 Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 12:35 Post subject: Apep (Apophis) |
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I have read dragons in mythology in the library and can someone please explain to me why you have classed Apep as a dragon? 
Being a budding Egyptologist I have to say this Apep was always pictured as a snake, and I just don't see the dragon connection.
Please read the below link if you wish for some proof that he was not a dragon.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/apep.htm
Any help will be appreciated. 
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albvan
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| Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 13:34 Post subject: |
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I know it isn't specifically mentioned, but in the mythology section any serpent-like or reptilian-like mythical being is classified as a dragon. That's why we can put creatures from South America to Central Asia.
Nonetheless, the mythology section could use some editing and expanding. I've written some articles there, so I'll get to that in the near future. |
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Dragonofthefourwinds
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| Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 14:06 Post subject: |
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Okay thanks for clearing that up.
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| Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 14:56 Post subject: |
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And Dragonofthefourwinds, your knowledge can be of use here:
Do you have any (valid) reason why any serpent like being should not be named a dragon? I would really like to know that.
Btw Apep is named a God in the link you have given us in your previous post, just as some South American dragons are named Gods.
Do you perhaps know of any other Egeyption dragon or reptile like beings. We would be gratefull for that information, because as albvan wrote, the the mythology section could use some editing and expanding 
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Shiari
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| Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 16:05 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, this is when "dragon" needs to be dissected.
Europeans, particularly the english, used "dragon" to describe any large or mythological reptile. Unfortunately, as that broad of a category it doesn't really work. It's like trying to say a tiger and a mouse are the same thing because they're both mammals. I'm one for the distinctions when it comes to the mythology, because calling everything like a "dragon" perpetuates the idea that every culture knew about dragons so omgosh dragons must have physically existed here on this planet despite any and every evidence against it! Most of the "dragons" of mythology are giant serpents of some type. Should those honestly count? Why would the rainbow serpent be considered a dragon when it is an enormous snake? |
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Eternity
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| Posted: Sun 08 Mar 2009 17:48 Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure if this is correct, but being both a dragon fan and total Egypt-freak, I'd have to say that its due to the wings of Apep that are sometimes described. |
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albvan
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| Posted: Mon 09 Mar 2009 5:53 Post subject: |
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| Shiari wrote: |
Unfortunately, as that broad of a category it doesn't really work.
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so omgosh dragons must have physically existed here on this planet despite any and every evidence against it! |
Somebody could draw such a conclusion, yes. Maybe it should be better to call them all snakes or serpents, and dragons should be restricted to "Europeans" only, or even better to creatures who are called by a derivative of the Greek word drakon(Eng. dragon, Ger. Drache, It. dragone, Rus. drakon...), and therefore they are most likely a part of common European heritage, because there are also indigenous creatures such as Germanic/Scandinavian wyrms/worms and Slavic/Russian zmeys that are usually classified as dragons, but they are not quite like them. |
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Shiari
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| My beginning cut off point is "Does it have any legs? No? It's a serpent of some sort." Beyond that, I allow a bit more fudge room. That's like the different between bird and mammal. After that, you begin asking "is it a feline? a canine? an even or odd toed hoofed animal?" That's where you get your drakes, your wyverns, your lungs, and your 6-limbed beasties of yore. But again, this is all personal classification. *shrugs* |
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