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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr 2009 12:09    Post subject: History - need to know or not? Reply with quote

My first thread on a topic I adore, how appropriate!

So, in my 18-year life thus far, I've come across two main viewpoints towards history in general and the sciences associated with it - ie, archaeology.

What's your opinon - need to know or no longer relevant?

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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr 2009 15:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both and neither at the same time. It's important to know the circumstances, at the very least, e.g. what conditions led to WWI or WWII, the Great Depression, etc, but you don't really need to know who the actual people, or even, really, the exact dates that the events occurred.

To use a modern example, 9-11 led to the war in Afghanistan, and through the US president's actions and decisions, to the war in Iraq as well. Does it really matter who the president was? Not really. Does it matter what that president did? Yes.

That's my take on it, at least. Back when I was in high school, I was always more interested in events than people, so I'm probably just biased that way.
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PostPosted: Thu 23 Apr 2009 16:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also more interested in events than in people when the subject is about something that was beyond my control or range of directly influencing me, which is why I think our media is largely contemptible. Mad That also applies somewhat to events. If an event has some sort of linkage with someone I care about, then it's important. At the same time I'm able to take on the opposite perspective though. I couldn't care less what was going on in India four thousand years ago, but I know better than to convince myself that it's unimportant to somebody else.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2009 5:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ragnarok wrote:
Both and neither at the same time. It's important to know the circumstances, at the very least, e.g. what conditions led to WWI or WWII, the Great Depression, etc, but you don't really need to know who the actual people, or even, really, the exact dates that the events occurred.

To use a modern example, 9-11 led to the war in Afghanistan, and through the US president's actions and decisions, to the war in Iraq as well. Does it really matter who the president was? Not really. Does it matter what that president did? Yes.

That's my take on it, at least. Back when I was in high school, I was always more interested in events than people, so I'm probably just biased that way.


No, I think you're exactly right. Everyone should know the facts about major events in the history of their country, but no necessarilly that so-and-sos maid did this, or this stableboy did that. Its too much information that way.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Apr 2009 15:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think knowing history is neccessary to understand what is going on in the world. As our history teacher said, understanding historical processes is most important e.g the development and decline of European feudalism, European colonisation, the rise of the Soviet Union etc. then come the events such as the French, American and October Revolutions, then the people. But I think it's much easier and perfectly fine for children to memorise more concrete stuff like events and people, but young adults should understand what was going on behind the scenes, even though they forgot a bunch of historical facts. If we understand how things went in the past, we might be able to predict things in the future, to a certain extent.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Apr 2009 8:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need to know:

Knowledge of history in general gives insight and contributes in preventing isloation.

As Nietzsche once said (in a nutshell): history is an cycling proces: events happen in a certain order and action seems to cause a similar reaction. Knowing previous actions and reactions can help in understanding nowadays actions and reactions and can give one the tools to respond in a good way or in a bad way (knowing what can come of it).

Also, historical perspective can broaden ones horizon on many matters (cultural, political, economical etc) and one with a broader horizon is able to interact better in various situations.

The Roman aquaducts still are helping us nowadays in watering and we use modern versions of it. So in a way even archelogy has his values.

The history of any science in general, contributes to the skills of one who is practising or studying it that science now.

albvan wrote:
If we understand how things went in the past, we might be able to predict things in the future, to a certain extent.


That would be my final argument (for now),

So I would say

Yes history: need to know.
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PostPosted: Sat 25 Apr 2009 16:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gerda Lerner:

What we do about history matters. The often repeated saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. But what are 'the lessons of history'? The very attempt at definition furnishes ground for new conflicts. History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way...

We can learn from history how past generations thought and acted, how they responded to the demands of their time and how they solved their problems. We can learn by analogy, not by example, for our circumstances will always be different than theirs were. The main thing history can teach us is that human actions have consequences and that certain choices, once made, cannot be undone. They foreclose the possibility of making other choices and thus they determine future events.


If we learn how to make better decisions in the future once we learn of the mistakes made in the past, we have already eliminated those mistakes from our choices. Seems to me more than enough reason to study history.

While the who's and when's may not matter so much, the why's and how's are immeasurable in their importance.

Need to know.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Apr 2009 11:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syrobe wrote:
As Nietzsche once said (in a nutshell): history is an cycling proces: events happen in a certain order and action seems to cause a similar reaction. Knowing previous actions and reactions can help in understanding nowadays actions and reactions and can give one the tools to respond in a good way or in a bad way (knowing what can come of it).

Onion article: "History sighs, repeats itself" Laughing
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