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Monarth
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Location: In a land where nature isn't ruined yet.
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I keep humans responsible for all (atleast most) of the problems on this planet. I dislike them for:
1. Responsibility of too many disasters and problems on this planet.
2. Fear of death, which causes them to overpopulate this planet.
3. Extincting just more and more species on this planet.
4. Owning is too important for them.
5. Money.
6. Too limited living.
About human society, I judge highly the working for living. I keep draconity better option because:
1. Only necessary things to live is hunting and drinking water, which aren't too great problem for dragons.
2. There are no limits in living. Human have just rules, laws and so much responsibilities, that the "free living" is minimized into extremely low rate. The one of the only free living times are atleast childhood, which still is too limited in my opinion, and there's probably some others, which I can't think of.
I just say the society isn't for me. Freedom is what I want and what I can get as a dragon. No taxes, no worries, no nothing human like.
The human are failed species to me. They rip this planet apart. They unbalance this world. They don't belong here.
Although, it's good that they're trying to save this planet, but I say the land will be destroyed anyway as long as they fear death. They make medicines to live longer, to avoid death as much as possible. When people die less, they spread much faster. Someday, there's just no more space on this planet, but the problems come long-before that day. The human spread and wildland shrinks -> Out of food soon enough. I wonder will we see the year 2100...
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Namhias
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| Posted: Sun 21 Jun 2009 13:25 Post subject: |
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Interesting perspective JKarrah, I haven't thought about it that way.
As of yet, I have not formed my opinion on the whole race so far, not because I haven't met everybody, but because I haven't met the majority yet.
There are certain individuals I like a lot, and there are some I really dislike. There used to be a time where I disliked or mistrusted everybody, but that phase has long passed. I'm more neutral nowadays when I meet someone for the first time. I'm just me when I meet someone the first time. If they don't like who I am, so be it, if they do, I have a potential new friend.
I admit that there are individuals whom I haven't met yet, but heard enough about for me to dislike them beforehand. If I ever were to meet such a person, I think I'd be skeptical to hear them out, but I'd listen to what they'd have to say, and adjust my view on them if necessary.
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I keep humans responsible for all (atleast most) of the problems on this planet. I dislike them for:
1. Responsibility of too many disasters and problems on this planet.
2. Fear of death, which causes them to overpopulate this planet.
3. Extincting just more and more species on this planet.
4. Owning is too important for them.
5. Money.
6. Too limited living.
About human society, I judge highly the working for living. I keep draconity better option because:
1. Only necessary things to live is hunting and drinking water, which aren't too great problem for dragons.
2. There are no limits in living. Human have just rules, laws and so much responsibilities, that the "free living" is minimized into extremely low rate. The one of the only free living times are atleast childhood, which still is too limited in my opinion, and there's probably some others, which I can't think of.
I just say the society isn't for me. Freedom is what I want and what I can get as a dragon. No taxes, no worries, no nothing human like.
The human are failed species to me. They rip this planet apart. They unbalance this world. They don't belong here.
Although, it's good that they're trying to save this planet, but I say the land will be destroyed anyway as long as they fear death. They make medicines to live longer, to avoid death as much as possible. When people die less, they spread much faster. Someday, there's just no more space on this planet, but the problems come long-before that day. The human spread and wildland shrinks -> Out of food soon enough. I wonder will we see the year 2100... |
I don't see how the fear of death and overpopulation are connected. Death of the species is not going to happen. At least, it's highly unlikely. And death is an individual thing. There are many people who aren't afraid of death and have big families.
You dislike them because they "are too limited living"? Do you mean that you don't like them because their lives are too short? Or do you mean something else?
I'd be careful about generalizing draconity. Not everybody shares your view.
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| They don't belong here. |
I can't even begin to state my objections against that particular quote. For starters, they evolved here!
It's funny, to first hear you complain about the too short live span of humans, and then to hear that you dislike them because they don't die fast enough to your liking.
I don't mind them living longer, and your argument that if they live longer, they spread more is just ridicules. There is an age where humans aren't capable of reproduction anymore and the average live expectancy is longer than that age. Also, when people get really old, they usually don't want to move anymore. (There are some exceptions of course.)
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| will we see the year 2100... |
Yes, unless something terrible happens, like a giant asteroid, or carpet nuking, or something else horrible. If there is not enough food, people will starve, so that the people who survive long enough have something to eat again. There will always be at least some food, so the species will survive even the worst food shortage.
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Jasriella
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To my surprise I find myself agreeing with you Monarth. Although for some other added reasons as well. If you've ever watched the movie Lord Of War, you'll see my point more clearly. If not, here's a link to a pretty good overview of the film. Lord Of War
Basically I hate how our world's major powers, though claim to hate war and claim to be trying their best to solve whatever problems, continue a never-ending line of supplying our "enemies" with weapons to kill themselves. This does include this so called "great country" the U.S.A.
But I'm straying from the topic at hand. Basically I side with Monarth for the same reasons and the added part of how we're killing ourselves over near literally nothing. But perhaps we're not killing ourselves fast enough if we're overpopulating.
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Monarth
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Location: In a land where nature isn't ruined yet.
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| Posted: Tue 23 Jun 2009 8:10 Post subject: |
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It's funny, to first hear you complain about the too short live span of humans, and then to hear that you dislike them because they don't die fast enough to your liking. |
Seems like you didn't get my point of "limited" living. I'm not talking about the lifespan, but how they have limits in everyday lives! Work, money, gym, school. Those are the things they're caught on and limits their everyday lives. They can hardly have fun long enough or live free without worries, like bills, homework, work and taxes. I myself can't accept that kind of living. For me, this society sucks.
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Namhias
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| Posted: Tue 23 Jun 2009 16:35 Post subject: |
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Which is why I asked:
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| You dislike them because they "are too limited living"? Do you mean that you don't like them because their lives are too short? Or do you mean something else? |
It's true we don't have "absolute" freedom, that's hardly possible. If we'd give up all of our technology, we'd be reduced to a hunter gatherer species with fear of predators again. Hardly a life without worries.
Also, look at it from the bright side: In this lifetime, we get to drive around in a machine powered by a funny smelling liquid, so that we don't have to put a lot of effort in getting from a to b, we can see what's happening on the other side of the planet in real time, we get the chance to sit behind a magical box of light which lets us communicate with people all around the world.
Now in what lifetime would you be able to experience all that besides this one? |
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Hyraxylos
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Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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Location: Atlanta, GA
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Yup, pretty much mirrors all MY criticisms of humanity, and all my counterarguments work just as well here as anywhere else.
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| Responsibility of too many disasters and problems on this planet. |
Any other animal would've screwed the Earth over if they'd taken over instead.
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| Fear of death, which causes them to overpopulate this planet. |
EVERYONE fears death because Mother designed us all that way. Overpopulation is a result of supreme living conditions, not fear of death. Producing offspring does not stretch your life expectancy, so that part makes no sense.
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| Extincting just more and more species on this planet. |
Survival of the Fittest is pretty harsh, isn't it? From nature's perspective, any creature that is too weak to protect itself deserves to die, so long as their death benefits someone else. Cruel, I know, but this is an arena where morality and ethics simply have no power.
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| Owning is too important for them. |
I agree in a political manner moreso than a biological one, and I think America, as an example, needs to become more socialist, but that's another topic. As for being miserly about property, my "survival of the fittest" attitude fits here too. Anyone who can successfully steal something from me and get away with it DESERVES whatever they steal. If they cannot get away with it, they deserve whatever unsightly wrathful punishment I can dish out.
Money is not programmed into human DNA.
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| Too limited living. |
Too vague.
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| Only necessary things to live is hunting and drinking water, which aren't too great a problem for dragons. |
Again, if humans have the right to take from other creatures to enrich their own lives, they have every biological right to do so. Might makes right, just so long as it doesn't completely obliterate the world.
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| They don't belong here. |
Humans are Mother's children, just like everyone else. We're animals and we do serve a purpose which varies widely depending on the worldview of individuals. Master, for example, believes that humans belong here to serve as amusement and nourishment of "greater beings". 
Humans can't leave this planet and I don't think they should. Think about it--would you want us to spread our problems to other worlds before we even fix them?
Have faith in evolution. All the mistakes we make that hurt nature will come back to haunt us, and that will push humanity towards evolving our minds into something more mature and responsible. After all, if we DON'T evolve our minds, we'll die in our own filth, and all other life that survives will move onward without us.
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dragonboy
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Location: Dragon Cave
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1.Humans can't fly.
2.Humans can't breath fire.
3.Humans can't have as many gold as dragons can.
4.Humans don't have scale.
5.Humans look different than dragons.
6.Humans don't have wings.
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Jasriella
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| Posted: Tue 28 Jul 2009 17:04 Post subject: |
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Well what's your point with that list? You're just stating the obvious for now.
And you might want to realize that you're human for now. Just something to keep in mind before you start to say something else. Remember what I said a while back about thinking about what you say before you say it.
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