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Posted: Wed 09 Sep 2009 6:37 Post subject: 2012 stuff
I just discovered there's no 2012 topic here, so I'm curious about everyone's thoughts about it.
I've heard theories that fall under two basic categories: that the world will end and that the world WON'T end but there'll be some sort of huge change. Both are centered around a large number of obscure (in my opinion) prophecies either pointing to this general timeframe or the exact specific date of 21 December, 2012.
Rather predictably, I don't believe in any of them. I'd have to say the funniest and craziest would be the Truthist stuff that I saw on YouTube and other sites, regarding a planet called Nibiru crashing into Earth and an invasion of anthropoid lizard-creatures that have already infiltrated the world's governments. Now THAT would explain a lot wouldn't it? Another interesting one I heard was that the Earth would line up perfectly between the Sun and the core of the Milky Way and that would cause a polar shift which would, of course, make our atmosphere and climate go haywire. It sounds fascinating, but I don't see why lining up with the galaxy's center would affect our poles.
Many of the "change" related ideas I've seen circulating were about humanity ascending to a "higher state" or somesuch. I admit most of what I have against those is "association" fallacies (it's toted very openly by "Indigo Children" and Starseeds, which are two spirituality movements I strongly dislike for personal reasons), but there still remains no evidence for the idea, and the "ascension" talked about is too vague.
Then too there's the stuff about the "veil" that appears on a LOT of otherkin communities. For any who aren't familiar with that one, it's an idea stating that there's some sort of barrier blocking something from crossing over to this plane from the spiritual plane, and that it will come down in 2012, causing therians and otherkin across the globe to mutate accordingly. I have two objections to this one. One of them is speculative: why would this shift go one way instead of the other? Why would my body become draconian rather than my spirit becoming human, or rather than the two of them swapping out (human-souled dragon) or something? The other objection is actually a huge detailed refutation that, if my beliefs about the astral are true, the so-called "veil theory" CAN'T be true. I posted it here.
I think the most that I can give to 2012 predictions is that the world IS presently going through a tremendous change right now, but it is one that has built up very gradually from the end of the last official war (World War Two) involving humans finally realizing the importance of communication, up to today where we now have the Internet. As for the predictions and prophecies, I'd like to know why there wasn't anyone talking about events in 2012 back before 2000. If these predictions all happened so long ago and pointed directly at 21 December 2012, then why did everyone wait until AFTER 2000 to start talking about them? It's the end of the Mayan Calendar. That's it. The Mayans didn't go any farther than 2012 for the same reasons that the world didn't make its computers Y2K-compliant at first; plain ordinary laziness.
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Posted: Wed 09 Sep 2009 7:21 Post subject:
I don't necissarily think the world will end come 2012. Considering the fact that our world is only what, half ways through its life span? I've read up and seen shows on the discover channel about a solar flare that has the potential to end life on Earth. A solar flare isn't going to end the world and I don't think it'll end human life, although it'll be catastrophic and the fatalities could number in the billions. The human race has faced similar catastrophies and will most likely prevail through.
I've never heard of the "veil" theory where us otherkin are being blocked and the block will be lifted during this time. Then we'll assume our natural forms. It definitely caught my interest though, can only imagine why . The strange thing is that as time has progressed I have been getting a sense similar to that of impending doom, but perhaps the opposite? I'm not sure how to word it. It's like something has been building spiritually and there are times that this other side of me is screaming (metaphorically speaking), like it knows something's coming and can't wait. It also somewhat explains a few of my posts where I have said some things in regards to something holding me down or blocking me. I do have the feel that there is something keeping me from accessing my otherkin self fully, a barrier. This veil theory seems to be a general explaination of this but unfortunately I highly doubt the truth behind it as in our reality it would be physically impossible for a human being to mutate into a dragon, or any other sort of beastial/fantastical creature. But that doesn't stop me from hoping that it is true.
Though imagining an Earth where a large number of its human population changes into these creatures is rather amusing. There'll be a lot of chaos with the world's laws and political systems beings I don't think dragons are covered under the U.S. constitution. Dragon's Rights activists ! That'll be fun.
What I think will happen though is just like when we hit the new millenium. There'll be all this hype and then the day will pass with nothing special happening and life will go on to the next supposed apacolypse. _________________ I am trapped between heaven and hell. My wings carry me upon the winds. Above lies heaven, below hell. Yet I must land in hell to soar in heaven. I am a Dragon!
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Posted: Fri 11 Sep 2009 11:00 Post subject:
I have heard so many theories. One of which a friend of mine I met at the convention, was convinced that zombies would run amok. I thought I heard them all, but the Veil theory I kind of like the idea of. Even though I find it untrue as you do. I've been speaking to Galadreil about how I'm now seeing a demon in many of my dreams it said could restore mine and Auroara's lost memory. Besides that It was said in the book my grandmother gave me. That this demon would appear to me in some way to demand me to seek him out. For this was a sign that Viscera would soon be among us. I'm hoping that doesn't happen. Of course I'm skeptical of this cause well world didn't end on 6-6-06 why 2012. Oh well I guess the only way to know is to wait.
Edited: Spelling. ~Namhias.
P.S. Don't even think about brining the book back up. We have discussed this on the forum vigorously last time and it resulted in a locked topic. _________________ The blood of that which you beleive run deep within, if you feel this then there is no need to doubt.
Posted: Sat 12 Sep 2009 10:57 Post subject: Re: 2012 stuff
Hyraxylos wrote:
I've heard theories that fall under two basic categories: that the world will end and that the world WON'T end but there'll be some sort of huge change. Both are centered around a large number of obscure (in my opinion) prophecies either pointing to this general time frame or the exact specific date of 21 December, 2012.
That is the point of prophecies: be vague enough that it could apply to any future even. Ive watched several programs on this subject, and read a few documents as well, and I'm not convinced. There are a few people I think have had genuine visions, such as Nostradamus and Edgar Cayce, but other than that, I think its a bunch of hog-wash.
Hyraxylos wrote:
Rather predictably, I don't believe in any of them. I'd have to say the funniest and craziest would be the Truthist stuff that I saw on YouTube and other sites, regarding a planet called Nibiru crashing into Earth and an invasion of anthropoid lizard-creatures that have already infiltrated the world's governments. Now THAT would explain a lot wouldn't it? Another interesting one I heard was that the Earth would line up perfectly between the Sun and the core of the Milky Way and that would cause a polar shift which would, of course, make our atmosphere and climate go haywire. It sounds fascinating, but I don't see why lining up with the galaxy's center would affect our poles.
Cannot say that I have heard the lizard theory... BUT, Yes, I have heard of the second. The fact is, the "professionals" just don't know. Its never happened before that we know of, but they say it will happen, without a scrap of evidence. That's like taking this great new airplane and loading it with people, convinced it will fly, and having it crash 10 minutes into the flight. You had never built this plane, never tested it, and it resulted in failure.
Hyraxylos wrote:
Many of the "change" related ideas I've seen circulating were about humanity ascending to a "higher state" or some such. I admit most of what I have against those is "association" fallacies (it's toted very openly by "Indigo Children" and Starseeds, which are two spirituality movements I strongly dislike for personal reasons), but there still remains no evidence for the idea, and the "ascension" talked about is too vague.
If you read on Buddhism, you will see that to ascend, you must prove yourself worthy and live a good life. It is determined by Karma. You live a good life, you come back as a higher being; you live a bad life, you come back as a lower being, such as a bug. That being said, I don't think humanity has reached the point where we would deserve any kind of ascension or enlightenment. We are too greedy, self-centered, pompous, and obnoxious (to name a few of our failures) as a general whole to deserve anything more than what we have. So I don't believe in this, either.
Hyraxylos wrote:
Then too there's the stuff about the "veil" that appears on a LOT of otherkin communities. For any who aren't familiar with that one, it's an idea stating that there's some sort of barrier blocking something from crossing over to this plane from the spiritual plane, and that it will come down in 2012, causing therians and otherkin across the globe to mutate accordingly. I have two objections to this one. One of them is speculative: why would this shift go one way instead of the other? Why would my body become draconian rather than my spirit becoming human, or rather than the two of them swapping out (human-souled dragon) or something? The other objection is actually a huge detailed refutation that, if my beliefs about the astral are true, the so-called "veil theory" CAN'T be true. I posted it here.
Mmm... Have not heard this one either. It's a pretty theory--I would love nothing better than for it to be true and to be free to fly the skies, just as anyone else on here, but I cannot see how it is possible. First, how do we know the astral plane exists? Second, how do we know if there is something there or not? Third, how do we know what will happen to our bodies, if there has never been a previous occurrence, etc. etc. etc. See where I'm going with this?
Hyraxylos wrote:
I think the most that I can give to 2012 predictions is that the world IS presently going through a tremendous change right now, but it is one that has built up very gradually from the end of the last official war (World War Two) involving humans finally realizing the importance of communication, up to today where we now have the Internet. As for the predictions and prophecies, I'd like to know why there wasn't anyone talking about events in 2012 back before 2000. If these predictions all happened so long ago and pointed directly at 21 December 2012, then why did everyone wait until AFTER 2000 to start talking about them? It's the end of the Mayan Calendar. That's it. The Mayans didn't go any farther than 2012 for the same reasons that the world didn't make its computers Y2K-compliant at first; plain ordinary laziness.
So what are everyone else's feelings?
In reference to the Mayan calendar, the Mayans were the most advanced civilization until ours. The surpassed even the Greeks and the Romans. I dont think it was laziness, but rather that they didn't see any point in continuing, since it was the "end of the world." Here's something to chew on: all great civilizations have ended--the Romans, the Greeks, the Mayans and Aztecs. Perhaps we take the prediction too literal--could it not simply be the end of an era, the end of the greatest civilizations of the world? The Mayans and Aztecs simply disappeared. Could we not suffer the same fate?
Lastly, I believe this is going to cause so much hysteria that, in the weeks and days preceding the "event," there will be mass suicide, maybe some kool-aid picnics... _________________ The salmon sisters: bringers of justice, harbingers of the smelly fish <* )) ><
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Posted: Wed 16 Sep 2009 11:35 Post subject:
There's another theory on Youtube that links 2012 to the popular video game "Assassins Creed."
Now in the ending of the game, your character is confronted by a series of puzzles and symbols. Which the game designers themselves have said that they link to the next two parts of the "Assassins Creed" trilogy.
This Youtube user has somehow come up with his own doomsday theory about a group called the Illuminated, or something along those lines. Saying that they are trying to bring the world under total control using FDA micro chips and the such. They also go to make these radical claims from the bible.
I thought it was funny, in a stupid kind of way...
Warning! Contains spoilers!
Here's the link if you want to see it,
I knew of the whole 2012 thing before 2000. Found it while researching new agey stuff as a young teen.
That said, I agree completely that all the hypothesis are bull and won't happen. Particularly the transformation... The amount of energy required to suddenly create new mass would rival that found in atomic bombs. It's an instance death sentence for us and most of the world if it could happen and did so instantaneously. And if it happened slowly we'd all die from autoimmune diseases. And neverminding of course that supposing we don't keel over rather spectacularly, we'd be stuck in a new body that we'd have to learn how to use. Ever seen a day old kitten trying to go somewhere? That would be us.
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Posted: Sun 20 Sep 2009 13:49 Post subject:
Shiari wrote:
we'd be stuck in a new body that we'd have to learn how to use. Ever seen a day old kitten trying to go somewhere? That would be us.
No thankyou!
Well that would partly be due to the fact that the day old kitten has yet to open its eyes and can't really see where to put its new feet .
But I can see where you're getting at. I don't think things would be to that degree, but the coordination with the tail and wings will be a definite zilch if our current minds were to somehow stay the same. But I think we all can walk on all fours without stumbling over ourselves (until your arms wear out of course). _________________ I am trapped between heaven and hell. My wings carry me upon the winds. Above lies heaven, below hell. Yet I must land in hell to soar in heaven. I am a Dragon!
But I can see where you're getting at. I don't think things would be to that degree, but the coordination with the tail and wings will be a definite zilch if our current minds were to somehow stay the same.
On that note, I have something to think about: If the transformation thing would happen, and our minds stay the same, would the feeling of phantom limbs translate to having (at least) basic knowledge of the usage of the extra limbs?
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Another interesting one I heard was that the Earth would line up perfectly between the Sun and the core of the Milky Way and that would cause a polar shift which would, of course, make our atmosphere and climate go haywire. It sounds fascinating, but I don't see why lining up with the galaxy's center would affect our poles.
