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Jasriella Shining Dragonstar

Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 1709 Location: Minot, ND
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Posted: Thu 22 Oct 2009 11:21 Post subject: |
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Unlike you I am not willing to accept these things so rapidly...I question everything. Im just saying the spirit is such a complex and vague topic that I dont want to pretend for one second that I understand it...which also means I tend to block out most of my thoughts on the issue XD
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You've created that little "haven" inside and you're unwilling to break that barrier in your haven for fear of having those pains brought back. It's a new time and I don't think anyone is going to hurt you, especially not from here.
Now I suppose I should spill my gut and go over my story.
I've always had a small obsession with dragons. Or at least I always thought they were cool. Snakes, lizards, I always wanted one because they had scales just like the dragons that I pictured (unfortunately my mom has a phobia of anything reptilian so that was a no go). Now this started back as far as I can remember which was around three. Being so young though I never questioned anything, I was mainly concerned with hanging out with my grandpa, guns, swords, toys, and never going to bed or brushing my teeth.
There was the occasion when I was roughly 5 or 6. I had broken my arm a few days ago and was in bed with my mom. Apparently I whacked her in my sleep and when she went to wake me up, I was blabbering in some language that she had never even heard of. It never happened again though so she wasn't able to record it unfortunately or we'd have sent it to some linguistic place to try and translate it.
Life carried on and I went through some tragic moments in life. Around being 13 or so my mom was dating again. She never married and we moved away from my father before I can remember so I've never had a father figure in life. But this guy.....they got into an argument one night while I was on the computer, so all of us including my (I think 6 at the time) 6 year old sister was in the kitchen and then they got into it. The argument escalated and then it got to the point where he was yelling as loud as he could. From that point on I felt numb. Void of any emotion and I was definitely not in control of myself (as in I wasn't the one controlling my body). I remember grabbing my sister and taking her into our room where we huddled in the closet. She was crying and all I could feel was numb and void of emotion still. It seemed I took us out just in time because I heard dishware being flung and crashing and a definite slap in between. Later I found out that it was my mom that had been hit.
But still, something inside me knew to get out of the situation. But I never gave it much thought besides I must've been possessed or something through the whole ordeal.
Well, life went on with its usual chaotic self. I had gotten into Yu-Gi-Oh and was obsessed with creating a dragon based deck (which there are a lot of cards that help in that) but besides that nothing much happened until we made our final move to North Dakota. That's when the possession thing happened again.
These guys were throwing rocks and other random objects at my little sister, there were three of them and one of my friends hurried over to let me know. I came unglued after seeing what was going on and I only remember flashes of the fight but I know for certain I was the only one fighting the three of them. At one point I remember one of them pulled out a knife and the next thing I remember he was wedged against the ground and the next-door house and the knife gone. The other two jumped me from behind and apparently it took no effort to fling them off. Shortly after I remember them running and my friends staring at me and a one point praising me for some god forsaken reason. Apparently they thought the whole thing was cool. I was appalled at what I had done for some reason.
Now that was when I was around 14 or 15 years old. I didn't start that "awakening" until I hit 16 and a little later. Then that dragon obsession hit the fan. I had been dying to read up on dragons for some reason so I checked out that Eragon book from the school library and read the whole thing in 4 days. Then I was so imursed in the idea of dragons, I drew them, I bought that necklace. And then the weird stuff started happening. I started getting these weird dreams that felt so real, but it was like it had already happened. Then there were occasions where I'd wake up curled in a nest made of my blankets and pillows, a perfect nest. But I'd have dreams of flying, of being with hatchlings of whom may have been my own. But one has left a solid imprint.
I was a little hatching, maybe no more than a few weeks out of the egg. I was in a nest but from my view it looked like it was as big as a stadium, and my mother was there snuggling with me, rubbing me all over with her big snout and It felt so good and the love and affection that was flowing between us was immeasurable by any means, then shortly after I noticed what was going on I woke up and, odd as it may seem, I cried and wanted her back and haven't cried since I was maybe 10. That was when I put into serious consideration that I must've been a dragon in my past life and that I belong as one again.
I had no idea what otherkin was, or that the term even existed. I was getting the "phantom limbs" from time to time and I still do. More so in the past few days (I've opened up a new acceptance of my dragon self and it seems to approve). So then I joined this site around at 18 and learned of otherkinism. I've fully embraced the "fact" that I am a dragon living here in a human body. Though my belief on the soul stands that when a soul is created and born with a body, that is the soul's original and preferred form. The body dies and the soul lives on as that form for its existence. It is not bound to stay being reborn in its form. A lack of vessels to be reborn can cause it to take another form. Which I think may have happened in my case. My soul wasn't intended for the human body, or any other being from this planet as a 6 limbed lizard is quite physically an impossibility here. I only hope that with my death I can be reborn as I believe I should be, a dragon back on a planet where I belong.
As to my dragon self. Right now I kinda feel like there's two parts to me. My human self and my dragon self. Only because I am human in body and that body is disconnected from the alien idea of a dragon. So I guess to put it in simpler terms, my mind is human but my heart and soul is dragon. _________________ I am trapped between heaven and hell. My wings carry me upon the winds. Above lies heaven, below hell. Yet I must land in hell to soar in heaven. I am a Dragon! |
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CB Dragonstar

Joined: 20 Oct 2009 Posts: 163 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu 22 Oct 2009 14:43 Post subject: |
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That is so deep...it really puts a new spin on this entire topic. I guess now it is my turn.
I wish I for one could say I remember my childhood, but sadly I dont, all I hear is 3rd hand stories from what other people tell me. Everytime I try to think about my past, I fail horribly at it, only remembering little tidbits.
From the beginning:
From the earliest stories of my own life others have told me, the first comes from my mother. When I was a child, I had alot of medical conditions; I was born with something called a heart murmer (?), and when I was 3 or so, I had alot of ear infections. Not just normal ones, very violent ear infections; at points they would get so bad I would vomit, and she said one of them was so bad I went into a mild seizure, and she had to put me into a bathtub of coldish water to get me to stop. My mom also told me that alot of the time my dad was never there for me.
I also vaguely recall that my mom and dad fought alot when I was a kid, but I cant recall any memories of it, mostly because I suspect my mind is blocking out alot of my childhood memories. But I do remember that around the age of 7 or 9, they got divorced, and she married my stepdad, who though I dont feel very related to, has always been there.
I never had any close friends as a kid, because we always moved alot. Every one or two years we would up and go to another place right after the initial akwardness of being a new kid wore off. I think that for these reasons my social skills never fully developed, and after awhile I got so used to the akward feeling that it became part of who I was, and as a result I have always used odd behavior as sort of a way to cope.
Around the age of 10, I had become a real problem child. I put hands on my sister, my mom says I told her I hated her etc on more than one occasion, and a bunch of other things that I convenianly cant remember.
My first memories of my own life are of me as a pre-teen, with visitation to my biological fathers house. I remember he was a smoker and a drinker, but not heavy on either. Every other weekend though we would visit him, and of course I would love it because I was always grounded, and over there I could get away with whatever I wanted. Around that time I also played the 1st game that I really got into, which was final fantasy 9, and it still remains a favorite today. After a few years though, he would not show up for his visitation dates, and after awhile he stopped seeing us all together. This was tragic on me, because I had alot of memories of him (most of which I have forgotten).
And now for the most defining part of my life, and the first clear, lucid memory I have. My misbehavior had reached a climax, and though I dont remember who all was there, I remember me and my mom got into it, and alot of things came up about how I was acting. Broken, beaten, and not knowing what to do, she asked me if I would rather live at my dads house, and I said yes. I was 14 at the time, and this would forever change my life.
The day I arrived at my dads house, my mom hugged me and cried, and left. I had her number, but I was afraid of her and didnt want to call her. I never did either, because my dad spoke very poorly of my mom. At this time my dad was dating a women who had 3 kids, and we all lived in the same house, though I only remember one of them. They fought too, but after a year or so it grew in intensity. I specifically remember one incident where my dad walked out on an argument and left me there...so she took me in her car and chased after my dad, and when we hit a red light on the freeway, she told me to go to his car. Scared as hell, I got out on to the freeway and started to walk toward his car...and with the light still red, he burned out his tires and took off. After that she drove me back and apoligized to me.
As for school life it was mixed. I was picked on alot due to my lack of social development, and the fact I was a year younger than everyone else didnt help, as well as my severe case of acne. It was also at that time I made my first real friend, whos name I will not say, and the best part of it was that he was just a typical everyday middle schooler, not a weirdo like me. That was one of the few parts of that time in my life where I genuially felt good, as he was really the only human contact I had then. I also met the school conselor, named mrs mcaffey. At first it was the typical school consoler-patient relationship, since I was placed on an IPE, but I think after awhile she realized my slipping grades where because of my life trauma, not because of any mental conditions. She was the only one I had to talk to, and was there through alot of my numerous mental breakdowns...I remember one in particular where I went into a rage after being picked on, I was throwing desks and everything, and then I curled into a ball and refused to speak, crying nonstop. It was then she hugged me, and it was the first time I remember being hugged. It calmed me down immensly. I have to say that without my friend and my conselor, I would have succumed to the dark thoughts that often overcame me, and either I or someone else would have been dead.
Sometime in that school year I also went to various therapy sessions at Child Focus, and this is where the 'trances' or 'mind shifts' I started having began...I was foolish enough to try and explain it to the therapist, who unlike my councelor was your typical 1hour session therapist. After a few sessions he falsely diagnosed me with ADHS, Depression, and Turrets, and prescribed five daily medications to me, 3 to be taken in the morning, 2 at night.
As for the relationship between my dad and his girlfriend, it was deteriorating fast, and they often argued about his drinking, which had been picking up over the last few months. Eventually she broke up with him, and he was heartbroken. After this, it was around the summer, so he went to go live with his friend and I went to live at his adoptive parents house...after a few months, he came to pick me up, and me and him moved into a one bedroom one bathroom apartment in some place called Beechwood Villa, which I only know the name of because I passed it while on my driving instruction a few weeks back. At this point, his drinking started to pick up.
When the school year began again, I met someone named mark, who I am very certain had sort of down syndrome. I met him at our bus stop and found out he lived in the apartment complex next to mine, and I would visit him frequantly. During the school year is also when we started to have less food in the fridge, but I didnt notice because I still ate at school...I was put on either reduced or free lunches, I cant remember.
Throughout that school year my grades were starting to slip, and I remember one day I showed my dad I got an F in math, and he muttered something about its why he drank. I knew it wasnt true, but it still hurt because I had known him as a very nice man sober, and on the rare occasion he was I loved to be around him.
Toward the end of the year, I asked my teacher mrs Mcaffey if I could have a book titled 'How to draw more manga' that she had in the IPE bookshelf, and she said yes. This is where I first got an interest in dragons, but I had only drawn 2 dragon related pictures, one just a dragon that was in the book and another that was a dragon suit of some sort. I remember after I drew the suit I had a short obsession with them, I distinctly remember stealing aluminum foil from art class so I could make claws out of them...unsuccessfully of course.
At the end of the year, I didnt know my grades because my school fees weren't paid. I am alomst certain that I failed math, and I still beleive to this day Mrs McAffey pulled some strings to get me into the next grade. After the school year ended, that is when the real hell began. Every day my dad's drinking got worse and worse, and every week or two he would get fired from a job for not showing up, etc. As for me, I tried the entire time I was there to get him to stop drinking, putting notes everywhere, hanging anti drug tshirts around the house, etc, but nothing worked. Every time I left my room he was either asleep, gone, or on the computer. We never had the AC on, so it was always insanley hot in the place, to the point where I sweated so much at night I couldnt sleep.
At this time I also went through puberty, and I had no idea what the hell was going on (though I did a good job at guessing). After awhile I remembered my friend mark, and i went to go see what he was up to...it was the 1st time leaving the apartment in about a month. Ever since then I went there every single day, and I always ate some of his pretzels, and occasionally I would be allowed to make a grilled cheese sandwhich in the microwave. Other than going to Marks though, every day felt the same. I had no internet access, and other than mark (who because of whatever condition he did have could barely put a sentence together), I had no social contact at all. My dad was practically a ghost to me, and the only things I had to do were play a hanfull of PS2 games (which I beat really quick), play Pokemon Silver, watch one of the 2 channels my TV got, or play with Knex.
This went on for about 3 months, getting worse as it progressed. Eventually the fridge was barren, the house was never cleaned since we moved in, and I dont remember if I did laundry. I remember I would get so hungry that I would eat ketchup packets from the side door of our fridge, collected from a bunch of old McDonalds bags a few years back so we didnt have to get ketchup bottles. After awhile every day felt the same, going over to Marks to play/borrow games and scrounge for pretzels and the occasional sandwich, then coming back home after about an hour to waste the day away. I was also sure my dad was doing things because I would here noises at night and find womens perfume, etc in the bathroom the day after.
Then one day, two guys in black suits showed up. The day started out like any other day, but when I went outside of my room they were snooping around the apartment, asking my drunk father questions about some things in his closet. After awhile they arrested him on charges of Possesion of Child Pornography and another charge unrelated to me that I will not mention, because it is not my right to reveal it. They took him away, and I was broken inside, because at that moment, I realized that I had witnessed first hand the death of my fathers once caring, funny, and proud soul wither and die into a hollow shell of a man. After they took him away I went into the apartment hallway, completly clueless as to what happened. After two years, everything was over in the matter of a few hours, and I had no warning beforehand whatsoeever. I was completly alone, and I didnt know who, if anyone, was going to come.
10 mintutes later, I saw my mother, sister, stepfather, and consellor come up the stairs, and they were in shock. I didnt know any because I hadnt looked at myself in a long time, but I was ghost white pale, unhealthilly skinny, and my face was so ridden with acne that it was on the verge of scaring. After a short few moments, they walked me to there car, and just like that, I was going to go live with my mother again.
After that day, I was very different inside. When I first came back I went through alot of mental breakdowns, and said alot of horrible things to my sister. But about 4 years ago, I started getting better, about 1/4 of the way through my freshman year. I was still bullied alot, but as time progressed it got less and less severe, and eventually I was actually turning into a likable person, especially once I started to finish sorting my emotional trauma. Toward the end of my sophmore year the bullying stopped, and on my junior year I enrolled in vocational school, which was by far the best part of my entire life so far. It seemed like almost everyone there liked me (despite the fact that I now almost never shut up and tend to get annoying), and as an added bonus my grades where now top of the class good, and I was enrolled with people who shared the same interest as me. We had only 4 people in our IT lab so we got to know each other very well, and in addition there was dozens of people I knew and talked to in other vocations. I was overwelmed with this sudden surge of interaction with others, and the day I graduated was one of the sadest days of my life, as I now have lost contact with all but a few of them.
My obsession with dragons began, if i remember, in between my junior and senior year, and persists to this day. As of now I lead a mellow boring life, wasting the days away untill i get my drivers licence. I have some minor parent issues now, but only the usual married people arguments and such.
And that is my life story. Sorry it took so long to type, it's been a long time since I've thought that hard about it, and I had to take a break halfway through typing it. Congratulations to anyone who read it all, and I think it's safe to say you now know almost all there is to know about me. _________________ I would love to have you on MSN, send me a PM with your IM account. Or not, if your that kind of person. |
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CB Dragonstar

Joined: 20 Oct 2009 Posts: 163 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Thu 22 Oct 2009 16:08 Post subject: |
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| Shiari wrote: |
| Mental shifts aren't triggered the same for everyone. However, what you are describing sounds far less like being jaded... then being depressed. Depression doesn't just mean feeling sad... but not feeling. Depression runs in my family and my brother has it very badly. He's much better and can enjoy life now that he's found a med that fixes his chemical imbalances. |
Please excuse my double post, but I really dont think it would be good to add to the lengthy topic above. I just want to say that what I experienced was not depression, because alot of times when it happened I was actually very happy and bubbly, like for instance in the christmas party instance. ;-P
I was rereading the thread and I just caught that, lol, had to comment on it. Becoming jaded occured awhile after I stopped myself from having these mental shifts, sorry for not fully explaining that earlier, that was my bad. _________________ I would love to have you on MSN, send me a PM with your IM account. Or not, if your that kind of person. |
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Shiari Moderator

Joined: 26 Apr 2008 Posts: 227
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Posted: Thu 22 Oct 2009 22:10 Post subject: |
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Depression can still allow for happy moments. Like I said, depression is not *sadness*. You stated that you don't often feel strong emotions. This is a very strong indication of depression, and considering the story you just related, if you weren't depressed I'd be shocked.
I also want to extra caution you to take things slowly with the idea that you might be dragonkin, because you have a history with strong potential for this to be a coping mechanism. Dragons are seen as strong, fierce, capable, independent... Your Self may well have chosen an archetype to model itself after due to the incredible stresses that you went through. |
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Jasriella Shining Dragonstar

Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 1709 Location: Minot, ND
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Posted: Fri 23 Oct 2009 0:32 Post subject: |
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| Shiari wrote: |
| I also want to extra caution you to take things slowly with the idea that you might be dragonkin, because you have a history with strong potential for this to be a coping mechanism. Dragons are seen as strong, fierce, capable, independent... Your Self may well have chosen an archetype to model itself after due to the incredible stresses that you went through. |
I was thinking the same thing. The human mind can be very creative without the person's knowing. Being able to cause people to remember things that never happened, creating methods to cope with a certain stress. Or as Shiari mentioned, creating an archetype to make up for past troubles. Though this could be the very case for each of us who are convinced we are otherkin. I cannot help but question it, but so far these past few years it's always been the same. I so cleverly created a saying that you can see in my signature "perhaps there is a reason you cannot prove that something does not exist." There is always a possibility that we are truly dragon no matter what, you cannot prove that we aren't, and neither can we prove that we are. So I'll rest easy with my beliefs just like the Christians and Muslims have their beliefs. Personally I feel that God is an imaginary friend for adults but to everyone else dragons are wonderful fantasy creatures played out through Chinese and European mythology. _________________ I am trapped between heaven and hell. My wings carry me upon the winds. Above lies heaven, below hell. Yet I must land in hell to soar in heaven. I am a Dragon! |
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CB Dragonstar

Joined: 20 Oct 2009 Posts: 163 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Fri 23 Oct 2009 6:52 Post subject: |
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| Personally I feel that God is an imaginary friend for adults... |
lol, well said
And trust me when I say I have gone through alot of these thoughts in my head, and while what you say is most likely true, I do want to explain why I am a bit in denial about this whole thing being depression.
I have been through alot of rough depression stages in my life, but I think the one thing I neglected to explain is that these are actually the points in my life where I had absolutley no interest in dragons...bah, Im horrible at explaining.
Basically when I went through the events of my life again in my post, I realized for the first time that my obsession with them started very early on, but as problems began to progress it was put into the back of my head. What strikes me odd is that these out of body mental episodes is that, now that I think about it, they almost always occured in times of extreme happiness, such as if I was getting really into a game or was talking with people I really liked...though whether this was something unique or just me not used to having the feeling is forever a mystery of time.
My recent obsession actually started up once everything in my life was taking a turn for the best. You see all these 'tragic' events (which Im sure everyone goes through in some shape or form) passed by almost 6 years ago, and to be honest it took me a good 4 years or so to get over this, then my junior year my life was the best it had ever been. Seeing the necklace I bought that summer brought my previously dead obsession with them back to the front of my mind. So it was not induced by trauma, because otherwise the feeling would have increased through that time instead of dieing...but thats just my opinion.
I also want to say that I hope you all dont take me as a desperate lunatic, because I want to say right now I am VERY uncertain on this topic right now, I said so in my membership request. In fact I am skeptical on spirituality in general, and I don't even know if I beleive in the concept of a soul...but regardless, this site grabbed my interest as soon as I found it, though I DO NOT think dragons exist (on this planet anyways. given the sheer mass of space though I dont think its a stretch to say they may exist elsewhere), I was never felt comfortable with the idea they breathed fire, and I am certain that I will never have any means to back up any vaque feelings I have.
I should probably clear up my defination of jaded as well; to me its the feeling you get when a women talks about shoes to you, or when entertainment tonight comes on...you know, how you dont really care about it. I am actually very happy about my current life, and I wouldnt take back anything I went through, because I think it is what changed me from a evil spirited kid into someone who tries to be good to others. When I say Im jaded, I mean I really dont care about other peoples problems as much, the house, etc, but I do feel happy about some things, its just a very low energy non-intence happiness. At the same time though, when something bad happens I dont really care about it for some reason, I just shrug my shoulders and move on.
I was a bit concerned about myself when I joined the site, but honestly I think it is the best thing I have done. I have to agree almost completly I am delusional, and I still think this to this day, because I know subconciously I look for 'evidence' of otherkinship and I have had to repeatingly shoot down events. I know for certain though that I do not have any false memories, mainly because I havent had any that where dragon related. I've been dreaming alot about snakes recently but thats about as close as I got.
In the end I can't ignore my passion, delusional or no. I came to the conclusion a long time ago I will never settle on a beleif spiritually, mainly because I see no point in deciding...in the end it doesnt matter if you guys or christians or jews or whatever are right on the matter, because if you base your actions completly on your beleifs you have failed in life. The best thing you can do is be a good person out of the kindness of your heart, instead of just trying to get into heaven. That way, even if there is absolutley nothing after we die, at least the world is a bit better off.
That said, I dont really care if I am or am not otherkin, I just want to discuss it to get it out of my mind so I can at least have some peice of mind and maybe not think about it every waking hour of my day. If I do somehow figure it out for certain, that will be a great day indeed (even if I know Im not, because at least then I'll know). Untill then, I will be here. Waiting, for I dont know what. _________________ I would love to have you on MSN, send me a PM with your IM account. Or not, if your that kind of person. |
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Daragon Dragonstar

Joined: 12 Oct 2009 Posts: 159 Location: Writing a book.
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I am a christian myself, but I don't let that get in the way of other things. (Such as my beliefs on Otherkinism. (It's SUPPOSEDLY wrong to add other beliefs in with christianity... , but who cares? )) You're right CB, even if there is nothing in the end, at least make the world a better place for everyone. (Except those jerks in high school. )
Again, I envy you, CB.
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QueenOfTheShadows Administrator

Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 1609 Location: haunting Bellingham WA
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| Namhias wrote: |
That brings is to a much more difficult question before I can fully answer your question: What does it mean to be human?
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:P i tried getting philosophical ages ago it seems back when i haunted many boards "What defines humanity?"
Strangely the attempt failed as everybody responded in more scientific terms.
My awakining as such it is was interesting.
to start when I was very young5-7 I came to The conclusion that if god was a loving and forgiving entity why have hell? the idea just didn't sit well no matter how I thought of it. and in thinking came to the idea of reincarnation. of course I didn't know if any body else thought these things so i did what any youngster would do about such things I asked my parents about it. and upon discovering it... well it was/sounded/felt right and real there wasn't the unease or the tangled confusion of the heaven/hell thing.
and well it felt right then, and it still feels right.
other things are harder to pinpoint like the sensation that my limbs are the wrong shape(s), are too shot to boot... and that sometimes ther are more there than i should have as a human. (an example is my "hornes" and "ears" have been almost annoyingly "there" more noticabto me than they usualy are) then there is the body lanuage issue. At times I have to mae an effort to telegraph it in the ways a human would even though I could swear had laid back my ears in a common sigin of displeasure amonst the animal kingdom.
there is the jarring sence at times that there are really two or more of me. dreams of shape changing, where everything seems more real than reality. ... those are strange I cannot exert control over them nor wake myself from them (even when i reilize I am "dreaming" and I want to wake up.)....
I'd say more but i have to get going  _________________ say hello! at zahz's keep;P |
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