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Hector
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 Posted: Wed 03 Feb 2010 14:14 Post subject: Growing... |
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Hi Community,
perhaps you already know this, but anyway I would like to share it:
"We grow or grow up until the limit given by our own pain and fears, but our pain and fears are not the real limits; neither for us nor for others." |
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Roark
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Interesting quote but these days come and go. A lot of us feel there is something important and it is that which creates the fears of not finishing that which we set out to do. I am one of those people; see Auroara the other spirit within me feels that we are supposed to do something. It is something not many can handle. We know not what you speak of but I assume you speak of the limitations and the chains that bind us to them.
Interesting quote but as my sig says the blood of that which you believe in runs though your veins, if you feel this there is no need for doubt.
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SkieFireYokana
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To be honest, the only limitations are as follow: laws of physics, laws of logic, and laws of probability. We don't know EVERYTHING about physics but it does exist and everything that happens must be accounted for within it; certain things are physically impossible. I cannot lift a car with one arm. Why? Even if I was muscularly strong enough--a physical impossibility in itself, the human frame likely would not support that much muscle mass--my bones would break and my tendons would snap. It doesn't matter how strong you are; the weakest link will break first. Normally it's muscular strength that is the weakest link, but at that point it would become the structural integrity of the body.
Certain things are impossible whether you want to believe they are or not, and whether you know they are or not. If you don't realize that you can't fly without some external apparatus, you're still going to fall to your death. Reality has no demonstrable sentience and therefore doesn't care what you think. Even if it was capable of thinking, I don't think it would care that you don't happen to believe something is true.
As for the whole "no doubt" thing, I'm a philosophy major in college. I'm a critical thinker. The instant someone says "You have no reason to doubt" it's a red flag for me, because it generally means the assertion won't hold up to doubt. In the past that's what it's meant, anyway.
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jaspertjie
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| Posted: Fri 05 Feb 2010 9:39 Post subject: |
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| SkieFireYokana wrote: |
To be honest, the only limitations are as follow: laws of physics, laws of logic, and laws of probability. We don't know EVERYTHING about physics but it does exist and everything that happens must be accounted for within it; certain things are physically impossible. I cannot lift a car with one arm. Why? Even if I was muscularly strong enough--a physical impossibility in itself, the human frame likely would not support that much muscle mass--my bones would break and my tendons would snap. It doesn't matter how strong you are; the weakest link will break first. Normally it's muscular strength that is the weakest link, but at that point it would become the structural integrity of the body.
Certain things are impossible whether you want to believe they are or not, and whether you know they are or not. If you don't realize that you can't fly without some external apparatus, you're still going to fall to your death. Reality has no demonstrable sentience and therefore doesn't care what you think. Even if it was capable of thinking, I don't think it would care that you don't happen to believe something is true.
As for the whole "no doubt" thing, I'm a philosophy major in college. I'm a critical thinker. The instant someone says "You have no reason to doubt" it's a red flag for me, because it generally means the assertion won't hold up to doubt. In the past that's what it's meant, anyway. |
That is so well written and so well explained and you used good arguments but that whole piece of text is so easily broken. You know why? You are wrong. Everything is possible. There is no such thing as absolute certainty.
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Roark
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Actually it is possible to lift a car to a certain degree, first you need A Lot of adrenaline going through you. Also there has to be great reason for your body to consider it, not your mind. You've probably heard of the incident when a mother's child was trapped under a vehicle and somehow miraculously managed to lift it enough to get the child out. Yes you cannot do it like superman, or Jesus  but it is possible under the right circumstances. Yes there would be major recoil damage, but it can be done.
Haven't seen it but I won't doubt it. Just my 2 cents on that one.  
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jaspertjie
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Bingo lol you're right
One word posts are not allowed. ~Namhias.
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SkieFireYokana
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| dragonwriterX wrote: |
Actually it is possible to lift a car to a certain degree, first you need A Lot of adrenaline going through you. Also there has to be great reason for your body to consider it, not your mind. You've probably heard of the incident when a mother's child was trapped under a vehicle and somehow miraculously managed to lift it enough to get the child out. Yes you cannot do it like superman, or Jesus but it is possible under the right circumstances. Yes there would be major recoil damage, but it can be done.
Haven't seen it but I won't doubt it. Just my 2 cents on that one. |
Straw-man argument. I said lifting a car with one arm. That IS physically impossible. For the record, I'm aware of incidents such as that, and there are also people capable of lifting a car on their own, but picking it up with one arm is what I meant rather than tilting it onto its side with your whole body.
The "no absolute certainty" is another example of a straw-man argument; that's not what I said. I'd love for you to show me a married bachelor, or a round square, but because these are logically impossible you can't. The fact that you can say with absolute certainty that I'm wrong because you can never have absolute certainty means that you're also employing the fallacy of accepting as true beforehand something which you are claiming to be proving false.
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CB
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| SkieFireYokana wrote: |
I'd love for you to show me a married bachelor, or a round square... |
A car can be lifted with one arm through use of a jack, a bachelor can be married if he does not object to mutliple wifes, and a square can be a circle if a square is drawn inside said circle.
Though i fail to see the connection between an analogy that says people ussually set their own limitations to bachelors....mainly because your argument structure tends to continually connect to almost-similar topics until the topic leads to something completly different, much in the same way i can call a box and bannana similar by saying banannas come in boxes...it may be true but the fact it's true only gives the illusion the argument is relevant when in fact bannanas and boxes really have almost absolutly nothing in common other than the fact they are in the same general area of space.
Then i say the shape of a box are similar to pictures because they are used in basic shapes to create the picture and wala, I have used metaphors to distract from the original topic and no one can disprove the original theory because no one know why we are talking about pictures when the original topic was about bananas to begin with.
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also you tend to argue better when you dont purposly use words you just learned in college last week, knowing words someone else doesnt make you look more intelligent it just detracts from the arguement in the same way some using random spanish words in an english sentence does...people stop following your point and generally stop caring about said point.
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