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Roark
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010 12:12    Post subject: Tarot Cards and Arcana in general. Reply with quote

Okay as in the tarot card readings you can probably tell I’m into some depth of magick, yes the one with a 'K' So my question is do any of you guys do this sort of thing, or have you, or do you have any questions about it you'd like to know? Questions regarding to what tarot card reading is, and if you are interested I plan to tell you the types of readings I know of and if you have questions about it feel free to ask. There are four types of readings I know of, I can only do three, I can do aura but not too well, of course there is tarot readings, palm readings, and chakra readings.

An Aura reading requires you to open your third eye, so you can see it and also so you can read what it tells you. One simple technique I know of without opening the third eye, simply let your eyes go out of focus for a moment blink if needed, then take a look at your reflection, you will probably notice a blue light resonating around you, this is your main aura,
if you do learn how to do aura readings you will learn about threads, anytime you see a thread it means someone is giving casting ill-wishes they may not know that they are doing this though.
Best way to get rid of it is to take a piece of black onyx and run it across the thread, this will sever the connection between you and that person or persons, then take a piece of clear quartz and put it in front of the thread for about three seconds this will insure that the thread stays blocked.

A chakra reading is the something really, more or less it is done in order to heal, if you hold a piece of Amethyst which is a purple stone in each hand you will feel a sort of calmness working its way around you. The idea of the first two is to sort of heal the body.

Tarot is an Arcane magick, the cards attract spirits whether they be good or evil, in order to give insight and allow that person to take action if any is needed. However you should not do a reading on yourself for it is proven to be bad luck. However if you need to practice study the deck and once you learn the meaning of each card put it to the test by laying down each card in front of you. If you want to do tarot card readings I suggest getting something that will repel the negative spirits. A lot of times the evil spirits are following the person, in this it is best to carry a black onyx stone this is good for grounding it. or a piece of jade which is good for guarding against any one or thing that may wish to harm you,

And of course there is the palm reading this is also a type of arcane,
but you can read your own palm if you want. To do this look at the hand you write with, study the lines of it, there are four major lines.
The first is the head line this is located in the center of your palm, this can tell you about your creative side, and if you are independent or codependent. The second is known as the heart line it is located above the headline this tells you about you inner most desires, and fears,
The third is called the life line it is the line that curves into the lifeline
This is by far the most important line of the palm. This line depicts how long we are going to live and how our life is going to be. It also tells us about a person's vitality.
The fourth is the fate line. It starts in the middle of the palm, close to the wrist, traveling towards the base of the finger. It portrays the impact of the external factors, like society, events happening around you on your life. The stronger the line, the more there is a chance that you are a destiny's child. If it runs all the way to your middle finger it means you are quite strong, if it stops at your heart line, not so much. So those are the basics of what I know. What about you?
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010 12:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a bit about Magick, do you have any questions?
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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010 15:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never understood palm reading. Tarot cards are a bit easier for me to understand anyway. I've been wanting to get a deck and learn the art myself but never found a set except at Spencers which didn't look very legitament.

The aura readings though.....I'm skeptical on that. By your explanation your tricking your eyes into seeing things. By putting them out of focus your eyes naturally fight to regain focus, and then when you stare at anything for too long your eyes get tired of seeing the one thing and naturally start showing an "aura." Now if that only happened when looking at people I'd be less skeptical but it'll happen any time you stare at a single object, person, animal, or thing, for an extended period of time.
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010 11:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the idea of an Aura reading is to look for something that isn't supposed to be, like the thread I was speaking of, that I can tell you is something that is real. If you see a thread best way to get rid of it is as I mentioned to cut it useing black onxy. These threads can have an affect on your daily life like make you do something you wouldn't normally do, and make you have a really bad day. These threads come in a variaty of colors, any color is bad, and should be dealt away with.
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010 21:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well first off, the only one dictating my actions is myself. No thread (and I know you don't mean literal cotton string here) is going to dictate what I'm going to do. I'm in control of my actions and life in general. And %90 of the time when I have a bad day it's because I let it be a bad day, again from choices I made. Yes fate presents me with choices, paths to take, but it doesn't force me into them. And yeah Fate can be a nasty bugger sometimes, but it makes up for it later, always does in some way.

What is it in black Onyx or Jade that makes it so special? What part of these simple rocks severs such a connection?
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010 22:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps I can shed some light on this topic.

Stones, especially gems of any kind religiously have played significance over the millenia.

Basic uses were inscribed into staves as to channel the magic through the stone, but in some types of lore gems attracted the attention of certain spirits. Onyx for example is shown as a stone of dark spirits, therefore by having said stone in your possession , you "Ground" the spirit with the stone distracting it from interfering with you. Certain stones were said to be linked with certain elements as well.

Garnet = Fire
Sapphire =Water
Quartz = Air
Onyx = Earth or Darkness
Diamond = Light

There are others which depending on the crystal had certain properties that the so called spirits would do favors for you if you had a stone they could be channeled through. This was known as a dark magic if you kept the spirit under your control after it payed you your favor.
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010 11:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stones are minerals in a crystalline formation. There is nothing about onyx that makes it attract dark spirits. People THOUGHT that it did for millennia because 1: it was black (Garnet is the same color as fire, sapphire is the same color as water, quartz is the same color as air, onyx is dark in color--and so was the soil of the area--and diamond is a very bright, refractive stone. Seeing a pattern here?) and 2: they didn't know any better. Now we know how the universe works for the most part, and I think that if magick is proven it won't be along the lines of the quartz, onyx, jade, et cetera magick that you're referring to. Quartz is not a special mineral. It's one of the most common minerals on the planet. I don't see any logical reason for it to do what you're saying it does. Tradition of something does not make it true: the same people that thought black onyx attracted dark spirits also believed the earth was flat.

Let me be clear I'm not saying crystals don't have properties beyond their physical ones. My "proof" that quartz is useful for storing psychic energy is the consensus of the majority of psions (used here to mean someone who believes in psionics rather than the elementary particle which Charles Cosimano proposed) that it is usable for that purpose, my own experiences, and particularly how my friend Thomas noted a spike in the energy level around a particular area and--an hour or so later--we were led into the library where there was a gigantic quartz crystal cluster. Several hundred pounds is my guess. However, in my own experience, due to its almost always having fractures somewhere, it leaks said energy, sometimes very rapidly, and diffuses it rather than focusing it when I channel energy through it. This has been my personal experience, and since I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...

Oh, and on amethyst for a moment. Amethyst is quartz. The purple color should not significantly influence its properties, though I'm certain minor variations are understandable, and oh my, what's this? Its properties--ascribed it by people who believed the two stones were totally distinct--are completely unrelated. AND the new properties of this purple quartz happen to line up with the contemporary beliefs surrounding the color purple. This is exactly what we would expect if they didn't know what they were doing, and is contrary to what we would expect assuming that stones have magickal properties and knowing that the two are extremely closely related.

On the subject of palm reading, I've had my palm read. It's very interesting, the palm reader got several major points about my life accurate, and I know he wasn't out to con me--I wasn't paying him, and he was a young man about my age--so I'm tempted to conclude it's true. Unfortunately, in retrospect I can see that I only saw myself in his reading because of the Barnum effect: the tendency of someone to see themselves in any vague description. For instance, give me a show of hands as to who agrees with this statement: Don't forget that your friends will always be there for you, in the good times and the bad. Sometimes you don't appreciate them and tend to take them for granted. If you show them that you still care, they may return the favor. That could fit anybody. Even me. No, in order to impress me, a tarot card reader, a palm reader, or an aura reader shall have to discern something you can't tell from me just by looking. For instance, if someone--upon reading my palm--tells me I've had feelings for the same sex, then that won't cut it. But if they say that I'm fond of wearing dog collars with a leash held by someone of the same sex, then I'm almost certainly going to believe them. Likewise, if someone says to me "I can see you've dabbled in Magick before, your aura is more potent than average" then I won't be impressed. Tell me, on the other hand, "Your aura implies that while you are very interested in the occult and in things which cannot be seen, you don't ordinarily buy into the idea of rituals, and don't worship any of the gods you believe in. In fact, you seem to think you are one yourself," and you'll get my attention. That's my evidence, and I don't think it's unreasonable since if the only results you can produce are vague and indistinguishable from the results you'd get if you were a phony, then I don't think there's any merit in it in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sun 21 Feb 2010 8:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to finally see some more explanations for magic that, again, everyone else I've asked previously always seemed to shy away from giving. I'm skeptical about these, but more out of utility than out of lack of evidence. I do believe in spirit-talking (obviously), but if I have something to ask a random wandering consciousness I simply ask by "launching" my question to the air mentally. These sound like mechanisms meant for assisting someone else in doing that, for whatever reason they don't feel able to do it on their own. The only divination mechanism that I'd consider fully disproven, however, would be the Ouija board, since Hyrax and I participated in an experiment several months ago and he demonstrated that he was unable to move the panel by so much as a single millimeter. Sometimes it really pays to have a ghost handy. Wink

I've got something interesting to share about the palm-reading. My fate line DOES reach my middle finger on both hands, but when it reaches the heart line, it suddenly splits horizontally by a small distance. On my left palm, it splits by a wider amount at the heart line. On both hands, the fate lines suddenly "curve" around towards a gap between my middle and index fingers. Considering that most of my present-life development has involved learning to control my emotions and involved at least one significant rapid change in social interaction patterns, I find this rather uncanny. Of course I could just as well be reading too much into it; I'd have to see how many other people have that on their hands too. But it does seem rather odd to me.

I know quite a bit both about magic and about reading others, and I'm probably much more proficient with the latter than the former. Laughing My way of reading others, however, operates independently (as far as I know) of magic, and is instead driven by strongly-built reasoning and detective-work.
It all begins with simple empathy. Reading someone's feelings is very easy to do when my own are "arranged" properly so as not to get in the way, and when I get into the proper "listening" mindset. I've learned pretty well how to read between lines, both in verbal communication and in text, based on frequent patterns I've observed in other people who've opened up to me in the past. Once I know what a friend's feelings are, that can be pieced together with things I know about that friend's personal life and previous reactions to other events in their life, resulting in a full psychoanalysis. I'd use an example but can't think of any fictional ones and don't want to use a nonfictional one in an open forum. It all really boils down to possession of knowledge and interpretation of it.
None of this really sounds spectacular at all, and yet most people I know show signs of some conditional difficulty in keeping in touch with one another. Since it comes to me pretty easily, I can't perceive or understand the difficulty very well. I don't do this too often on this forum, but I seem to have grown very fond of using this ability on internet trolls who sometimes visit another forum I'm on, and I love unravelling their strategies for attempting to stir up tempers. Green
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