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Zyleeth
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Sep 2004 14:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't stand these "pro-life" groups. Evil or Very Mad Not too long ago, one of these people threw bombs into an abortion center claiming that abortion was murdering people. Uh......he killed four people. Evil or Very Mad I'm not saying that all pro-life people would do such a thing, I was just stating.
Personally, if I don't think that someone should go and get pregnant and not be able to support a child, but there is no way to stop it. People are always going to do this, then throw away the baby anyway. Its on the news all the time.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Sep 2004 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course we don't hate you for your opinions! Smile It makes the debate better with opposing views.
The world is not a harsh place, it just has ways of dealing with these things. As much as it saddens me that a soul would not get the chance this time around for life, not everyone is going to be fortunant. That is why life is so precious, because it is so easily taken away.
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PostPosted: Tue 28 Sep 2004 17:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

dx wrote:
It all depends on when you can call an embryo a living being instead of a cluster of cells, I think. If it isn't much more than a couple of cells I wouldn't mind, but if it already thinks and stuff, then I think I'd call it killing someone.


As to what Rayadragon said about what that other dude says. If you define brain activity as life then you've got an answer, but I think it's more complex then that. Just because you're brain is working does not mean it is concious.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Sep 2004 8:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though to jump topics here, why keep someone alive when they have no hope of recovery (I've been reading about that woman in florida, the one who can breath, but can't eat. She essentially has no mind left, yet her family insists on keeping the shell around) I think that's almost cruel (sp) in a way.

And yes, nothing wrong with disagreeing with other people's opinion. The reason I brought up the part about the forced abortion was that I just wanted people (mainly pro-lifers, sorry ^_^) so see things from a different point of view. What's right for one person may not be right for another. So put yourself in those shoes, and imagine how you would feel if someone else made that decision for you, regardless of the cirumstance.

More blabbing on my part. How would you define the "boundaries" of cases in which abortion, assuming you put limits on it, could be performed? One of the ones that comes up most often is rape. What if the woman doesn't report it because she's ashamed of it? Is she to be punished for not speaking up initially? What if in was rape by an aquaintance (such as a boyfriend)? Would you prevent her from getting an abortion since it was her boyfriend that raped her, since they were dating? Or would you allow her to get it since she was raped? If then, how do you keep everyone who's pregnant, whether it was initially consentual or not, from getting an abortion by using that same argument? Just trying to throw out some hypothetical situations here.
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Sep 2004 13:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The embryo has no brain activity until 10 weeks into the pregnancy.


I didnt know this - you learn something new everyday!
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Sep 2004 20:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why I post the debates on this site, everyone is respectfull... Imagine trying to have a debate with everyone shouting 'I'm right!' at eachother... sheesh!
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PostPosted: Wed 29 Sep 2004 20:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree with abortions myself, though I know a few people that have had them.
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PostPosted: Thu 30 Sep 2004 7:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean "consentual rape" I meant "aquiantance (sp) rape" Some one you know (I gave the example of a boyfriend) forces you to have sex againts your will. Since the girl was dating the person, would the court allow her to have an abortion because it was rape, or would they prevent it since the rape was perpetuated by her boyfriend. (assuming that there was an optional abortion in the case of rape law)

It may not be fair to the embryo to be aborted, but neither was it fair for the girl to be raped. Again, I just feel that this is a forced choice when it should be that, a choice of the person who was raped.
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